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[cohp] Digest Number 5160
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Digest #5160
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Re: Congrats, Susan and David! by susanjoypaul
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State HP Names by "Dave Covill" dave_covill
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names by "Don Holmes" donh41
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names by "roy.schweiker@juno.com" accidentlwanderer
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names by "David Sanger" davidsangerphotography
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names by "Scott Surgent" surgent1
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names by "Daniel and Elizabeth Case" odettesw
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Re. The Origin of State Highpoint Names by davidwmolson2
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Total Vert in a State Completion by powdrfox
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Re: Total Vert in a State Completion by "Scott Surgent" surgent1
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Re: Total Vert in a State Completion by "Beth Lakin" beth3up

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Re: Congrats, Susan and David!
Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:08 am (PDT) . Posted by:
susanjoypaul

Thanks guys, and congratulations to Dave, for sure!


I got my copy of Covill's and Mitchler's book as a 2004 Christmas present from one of my sisters, who saw it at a used book store in Connecticut and thought it looked like something I might like. I did not understand the theme of the book at all, until Doug Hatfield got me into highpointing and pointed out that I had already done a bunch of them - and that I owned the book!


Vermilion was a great finisher, and I was lucky to have my friend Stewart Green along that day. Someone had to be there to witness my endless whining about the endless talus.


Here's a video from the summit: https://youtu.be/estoss31f9w https://youtu.be/estoss31f9w


And my highlights and lowlights, on LoJ: http://listsofjohn.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1193#p6291 http://listsofjohn.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1193#p6291


Cheers,


Susan Joy Paul


P.S. We are planning a group axe signing for next week, if it works out for all involved. There may be one more finisher joining us!

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State HP Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave Covill" dave_covill
The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by: highptlw
<highpt43@optimum.net?subject=Re%3A%20The%20Origin%20of%20State%20Highpoint%20Names>
### Lanny - very nice work, I'm impressed ! I bet that with the help of
several hundred fellow cohpers who are reading this, we could get a good
answer to all 50, and create a document that could be pointed to from the
HP Club Website.

Dave ( The Brits and The Rebels still seem to swing a big stick in this
country... ) Covill
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Don Holmes" donh41
Hi All,

On March 23, 1998, Iowa governor Terry Branstad signed Iowa State Legislature Joint Resolution 2004, officially naming the Iowa highpoint Hawkeye Point.

The oblique California-Nevada border was finally legally settled by the Untied States Supreme Court n 1980, yes 1980. The Von Schmidt Survey, done in 1873, is askew with the current border established by the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey between 1893 and 1899. The effect of the Von Schmidt survey was to place the oblique boundary line east of Boundary Peak, thus putting Boundary Peak in California. If the border had not been changed by the USGS Survey, Wheeler Peak in Great Basin National Park on the east side of Nevada, 13,063 feet, would have the distinction of being the highest point in Nevada.

Don Holmes


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:06:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [cohp] The Origin of State Highpoint Names

Some additions or comments below.

On 29 September 2015 at 18:56, highpt43@optimum.net [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Iowa- Hawkeye Point  1,670
ft - The Hawkeye State is a popular nickname for the state of Iowa.
According to the Iowa State web site, Two Iowa promoters from Burlington are
believed to have popularized the name. The nickname was given approval by
territorial officials in 1838, eight years before Iowa became a state, named
after Chief Blackhawk.

The highpoint was not known until the 1980s - it was believed the IA highpoint was Ocheyedan Mound. At some point in the last 15 years it got the name "Hawkeye Point". Is it official?


Nevada  Boundary Peak  13,140
ft - No information available.The original survey line (Von Schmidt) between CA and NV was off by a mile or so. The correct boundary cuts immediately south of the little bump that is Boundary Peak, placing it barely inside Nevada. I am not sure if the Von Schmidt line placed the peak in California. This could be something to expand upon for the article.

Oklahoma Black Mesa  4,973
ft No information available.It's a huge mesa that stretches across New Mexico and Colorado and appears dark from a distance.

There are about a million "Black Mesas" in the west, along with all the Red Mountains and Pine Mountains.


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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"roy.schweiker@juno.com" accidentlwanderer
Maine Mt Katahdin - Like Denali this should just be Katahdin which already means "greatest mountain" - present name is silly like Pico Peak

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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Sanger" davidsangerphotography
like the snowy Sierra Nevada mountains.. another offering from the
Department of Redundancy Department

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:16 PM, 'roy.schweiker@juno.com'
roy.schweiker@juno.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Maine Mt Katahdin - Like Denali this should just be Katahdin which already
> means "greatest mountain" - present name is silly like Pico Peak
>
>
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Scott Surgent" surgent1
Or the big Rio Grande river :)

On 30 September 2015 at 13:22, David Sanger ds@davidsanger.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> like the snowy Sierra Nevada mountains.. another offering from the
> Department of Redundancy Department
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> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:16 PM, 'roy.schweiker@juno.com'
> roy.schweiker@juno.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Maine Mt Katahdin - Like Denali this should just be Katahdin which
>> already means "greatest mountain" - present name is silly like Pico Peak
>>
>>
>

-- 
Scott Surgent
Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
Arizona State University, Tempe
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Re: The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daniel and Elizabeth Case" odettesw
>
Or the big Rio Grande river :)

Or all the “-kill” Rivers or Creeks in any areas (like the one I live in) originally colonized by the Dutch (however, we do have some that are just “Kill” with a separate English or Dutch name attached—I particularly like the Murder Kill, up by Albany).
Daniel Case
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Re. The Origin of State Highpoint Names
Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2
Some comments on 'The Origin of State Highpoint Names' by Lanny Wexler:

Arkansas, Magazine Mtn. Worth looking up the name origin and mentioning Signal Hill, the highest point on the mountain.

Connecticut, Mt. Frissell. Worth checking information sources in Massachusetts as well, since the summit of the mountain is in Massachusetts.

Kentucky, Black Mountain. Worth checking information sources in Virgina too, since part of the mountain is in Virginia, and Kentucky was part of Virginia before it was split off to make a state.

Montana, Granite Mtn. Is there any information why this mountain got named 'Granite&#39; instead of any other name, and whether it was ever known by any other name?

Nevada, Boundary Peak. Why it was named 'Boundary&#39; seems obvious. The earlier 'von Schmidt line' ran a bit further north, and before the state boundary line was fixed Boundary Peak was in California, and Wheeler Pk. was the highest in the state.

Oklahoma, Black Mesa. As someone has already mentioned, why it is named 'Black&#39; is rather obvious, because of the black lava rock that caps it. It would be worth checking information sources in New Mexico (most likely) and Colorado, since most of the mesa is west of the Oklahoma state line with New Mexico.

Pennsylvania, Mt. Davis of the larger Negro Mountain. Worth also checking information sources in Maryland. Negro Mountain is in both states.

Texas, Guadalupe Pk. This is a name of mixed language origin. The Arabic word 'wadi', a dry streambed, was adopted into Spanish as 'Guada&#39;. 'Lupe' comes from Latin as 'wolf' and the Spanish pasted the words together back when they were ruled by the Moors. The Spanish applied the name to a location a little north of Mexico City before it became famous for a vision of the Virgin Mary to a local Indian. In honor of that vision the name was applied to many things afterwards. I have no idea which thing 100 miles east of El Paso got the name first, the mountain range, the peak, the pass south of the peak or something else.

Wisconsin, Timms Hill. Probably named for a local landowner.
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Total Vert in a State Completion
Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
powdrfox
For all of you who keep track of vertical gain:

I'm wondering who has the most and least vertical gain in all of the hikes that led to a state completion.

As a starting benchmark, I tallied my Wisconsin completion and came up with 11,246' of gain. Ashland County was my biggest gain, with 882' on that two contour hike. On the other end, Kenosha was my only county with no gain whatsever, although I technically gained a couple inches.


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Re: Total Vert in a State Completion
Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Scott Surgent" surgent1
Here are my stats for my two Arizona completions:
http://www.surgent.net/highpoints/az/azhpstats.html

Here's mine for NM: http://www.surgent.net/highpoints/nm/nmhpstats.html

And for NV: http://www.surgent.net/highpoints/nv/nvhpstats.html

A few were drive-ups with no gain, although I could argue that I did gain a
few feet at least.

I completed RI in one day back in 2000 and gained about 200 feet total for
the five short hikes. I completed CT also. The hike to Frissell's liner
took up most of the mileage and gain.

On 30 September 2015 at 17:09, powdrfox@yahoo.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> For all of you who keep track of vertical gain:
>
> I'm wondering who has the most and least vertical gain in all of the hikes
> that led to a state completion.
>
> As a starting benchmark, I tallied my Wisconsin completion and came up
> with 11,246' of gain. Ashland County was my biggest gain, with 882' on that
> two contour hike. On the other end, Kenosha was my only county with no gain
> whatsever, although I technically gained a couple inches.
>
>
>
>

-- 
Scott Surgent
Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
Arizona State University, Tempe
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Re: Total Vert in a State Completion
Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Beth Lakin" beth3up
Scott,

Did you make your county maps (colored by year at the bottom of the stats
pages)? Or did you find them somewhere?

I'm giving a talk next week about my CO CoHPing project and need to do
something like that. (Errr. I need to just start the presentation...)

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Scott Surgent surgent@asu.edu [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> Here are my stats for my two Arizona completions:
> http://www.surgent.net/highpoints/az/azhpstats.html
>
> Here's mine for NM: http://www.surgent.net/highpoints/nm/nmhpstats.html
>
> And for NV: http://www.surgent.net/highpoints/nv/nvhpstats.html
>
> A few were drive-ups with no gain, although I could argue that I did gain
> a few feet at least.
>
> I completed RI in one day back in 2000 and gained about 200 feet total for
> the five short hikes. I completed CT also. The hike to Frissell's liner
> took up most of the mileage and gain.
>
> On 30 September 2015 at 17:09, powdrfox@yahoo.com [cohp] <
> cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>
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>> For all of you who keep track of vertical gain:
>>
>> I'm wondering who has the most and least vertical gain in all of the
>> hikes that led to a state completion.
>>
>> As a starting benchmark, I tallied my Wisconsin completion and came up
>> with 11,246' of gain. Ashland County was my biggest gain, with 882' on that
>> two contour hike. On the other end, Kenosha was my only county with no gain
>> whatsever, although I technically gained a couple inches.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Scott Surgent
> Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
> Arizona State University, Tempe
>
>
>
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