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Huge TR collection--MA, RI, PA, MD, DE, DC, VA, WV, NC, TN by cuber86
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Huge TR collection--MA, RI, PA, MD, DE, DC, VA, WV, NC, TN
Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:
cuber86
Below is the result of two weeks of time "off" from school, which enabled me to take a pretty good chunk out of everything I want to climb in the southeastern US! Basically going after 2nd lap list peaks, COHPs over 5000', and P2Ks. Enjoy!

9/28/15
Philadelphia PA COHP
Not much to add here. Very easy if you're in the Philly area and have a car.

9/30/15
Shade Mtn--Snyder PA COHP (2 areas), 2nd lap candidate
Followed previous directions, driving up the gravel road to the trailhead (road was perfectly passable for cars). The smaller area north of the trail had some semi-obvious high ground in a relatively small area; the larger crescent-shaped area was a nightmare of ambiguity. I sort of just followed high ground in an arc through moderate brush and occasional open areas, tagging stuff that looked highest, but you could really spend hours up here just gridding. One spot had three rocks stacked in a small cairn--as good a spot as any for the HP, I suppose. Very unpleasant in the rain. No views.

Big/Tuscarora Mtn--Franklin & Fulton COHP, 2nd lap candidate
Good dirt roads led to the summit area, with high ground appearing to be in the large clearing to the E of the loop road. Looks like this would've had some nice views off the summit in places, were we not clouded in, oh well...

Quirauk Mtn--Washington MD COHP, 2nd lap peak
I'd arranged permission with Kelly Swanger a month or two beforehand, and the visit indeed went smoothly. Drove up the paved, yet poor-condition road to the guard shack at the end of the road. We waited patiently until a facility police officer came over to speak with us, asking if we were "the hikers". After confirming we were, he explained the ground rules to us, including the request to take NO photographs of anything inside the installation fencing (natural landmarks outside of it, and views through the clear-cuts off the summit containing power lines are okay). He mentioned prior visitors had promised not to take pictures of the facility, had had their cameras checked, and were found to have lied. To future visitors: please don't be these people and potentially jeopardize access for others.

My dad and I wandered the summit area for 10 minutes or so. My vote for highest natural ground is the large squarish boulder into the woods on the north end of the complex. Given how different the ground around the facility is from the surrounding woods, I think anything inside (and a lot outside) the fence can be assumed to be manmade. My camera was indeed rechecked upon exit, but the officer was never anything but friendly and professional, and nobody else bothered us on our visit. Definitely go through the proper channels for this one.

We enjoyed some of our only views of the day as the clouds lifted somewhat while we were on the mountain. Nice views off the old hang-gliding spot at High Rock to the farm country to the west, and a nice limited view from the summit to the northeast.

Fort Reno--DC HP
Came back 14 years after my first visit to tag true highest natural ground--not the reservoir fence, but a grassy hill across the street from Woodrow Wilson HS. Parked at a meter and made the quick dash to the top, with a friendly older black man with his dog pointing us toward the survey marker. Back at the car in 3 minutes.

Mt Hamilton--DC prominence point
Pretty area, but hellish to reach from Fort Reno, with the drive taking a full half hour through the District. There's a very active police station right near the entrance to the Arboretum, which had me on edge a bit. The Arboretum is now open during business hours 7 days a week per their website, and indeed, the gates were open and there is no charge for admission. However, the road leading to the summit is signed for foot traffic only, so we parked at the base and briskly walked the few tenths of a mile to the top. High ground appears to be at the base of some trees within the summit road loop. No views from the top, though there was a brief glimpse of the Capitol, Washington Monument, and office buildings across the river in Arlington/Alexandria VA as we drove the one-way road around the mountain back to the entrance.

Iron Hill--DE 2nd lap peak
Drove up to just below the summit via the neighborhood of well-kept McMansions on the south slopes of the hill. A short grassy track lined with pines between two houses leads to the water tower. Who knows where high ground is--much of what's in the flat patch of woods east of the water tower consists of man-made bumps of garbage. Had a decent view of the flat, tree-covered expanse that is the rest of Delaware as we drove back down the mountain.

10/1/15
Reddish Knob, VA/KY P2K
Tricky road network to reach this one, so do your research beforehand. Not helped by an overzealous cop pulling someone behind me over, which led to me losing my GPS track to the summit and wasting a bunch of extra time getting signal back on my phone to regain it. The roads from the VA/WV state line to the top are exceedingly narrow (1 car only!), with only occasional pullouts, so proceed with caution. Clouds closed in as I neared the top, and I never had a view of anything else than cloud from the bare summit area. Will return in better weather so I can actually see what northern VA and WV look like (I did Spruce Knob in a snowstorm). A second attempt for views a week later on my way north yielded similar results, unfortunately.

Hawksbill--Madison and Page VA COHP, P2K
Paid 20 bucks to drive through rain and clouds, then hike through same from Hawksbill Gap to the rocky outcroppings that make up the summit. 30 minutes roundtrip, no views. Another place I'll have to return someday in pleasanter weather.

10/2/15
Durham NC COHP
Was visiting a friend in the area and decided to make the quick side trip to climb this one. Parked as previous COHPers have reported, with house 13319 currently up for sale. Quickly dashed into the ample forest cover between the two houses across the street, but I wasn't too worried about anyone bothering me at 8 AM on a rainy weekday, and once in the woods, you can mostly stay out of sight of the neighboring houses unless they're really looking for you. Lots of rocks to tag, but all in a pretty small area entirely between the two houses in the woods. Took all of 5 minutes total and I was outta there.

10/5/15
Flag Pole/Cross Mountain--Anderson and Campbell TN COHP, P2K
>From Briceville, had a bit of trouble finding the correct road. Made the correct initial left turn off pavement to a dirt road, but when that road immediately split just after, I incorrectly went right and ended up on a steep track, where I encountered a friendly government worker heading the opposite direction who pointed me toward the other fork. This left fork was the correct route, and staying on the main track, led me to just below the summit. It's passable in a car, but consistently steep, with some rocky sections--go slow or be prepared for a bumpy ride! The spur road to the summit area has a washout at its start, which requires some care to negotiate, but can be done in a car. Wandered the summit area till I was satisfied, enjoying some limited views on this gorgeous October day.

English Mtn TN--Jefferson TN COHP, P2K
I again had some navigational issues driving to the "trailhead&quot; for this peak. To make things a bit clearer, once you've passed the main condo building and made a left onto Glasgow Rd, you take the next major left on a dirt-ish road less than a tenth of a mile past your turn onto Glasgow. The road should bend around to the right (and you should stay right) as it wraps around some sort of storage tank facility, then a steep paved-ish road goes straight up the mountainside and promptly turns to a rough ATV track just past the last house. There's ample room to park in a grassy area. I parked and immediately set out, following the old road to the gap, where I made a quick side trip to Cutoff Peak; this is HIGHLY worthwhile! Your only excuse for not doing it is if you're in the clouds. Returning to the gap to find the manway up to the summit ridge, I followed faint two-tracks up to the east/right, which soon became a more well-defined overgrown ATV track. This is pretty steep, but gets you to a few tenths of a mile south of the summit in a hurry. From here, a brief road walk past some radio towers to an old fenced-in lookout tower takes you to the highpoint area. True highest ground is in some hellacious brambles a few dozen feet from the tower. I contemplated hopping the 10' fence to climb the tower, but ultimately decided not to. Saw no signage besides a no-trespassing sign at the turnoff from Glasgow Rd, and nobody bothered me. Passed a car that'd driven off Blowing Cave Road into the trees on my way back to the highway, a cop car was already there.

10/6/15
Thunderhead Mtn--Blount ("Blunt") TN COHP
This one isn't difficult, just long, at 14 miles roundtrip from Cades Cove CG. The grade never really approached anything more than moderate, and is mostly mild. Climbed this one with my cousin who lives in Maryville, and we had a blast! Amazing views amongst the clouds once we topped out at the AT, with the best views happening from the summit of Rocky Top. During our short remaining trip to Thunderhead itself, the clouds rolled in again and never really lifted. True summit had limited views and a very short side trail to the highest rocks. Very nice hike, aside from the clueless gapers hiking and on horseback we encountered that day.

10/7/15
Huckleberry Knob--Graham NC COHP, P2K, 2nd lap list peak
Short, sweet, and some of the best views I've ever seen, with much of western NC and eastern TN at my feet on this crystal-clear fall morning, just a short while after dawn, valleys hidden in a sea of clouds. Had this glorious bald to myself. Just incredible...muddy trail though.

Haw Knob--Monroe TN COHP
Short drive from Huckleberry. Avoided the brambles at the start of the overgrown road, and from there on to the summit, it was somewhere between overgrown trail and easy bushwhack following the road. Long sleeves recommended but not a must.

Cherokee NC COHP candidate
Note: I did NOT do the other two candidates for this county! Will attempt at some later date. I stopped back at my car after Haw, then found the trail over Johnson and Laurel Top. From the latter, the maintained trail dropped off the left side of the ridge, and a faint but definite path continued over the summit and down the ridge all the way to the highpoint. The overgrowth, however, sucked. Rhododendrons, vines, brambles, dense deciduous forest, undergrowth...this ridgeline had it all, and it was slow going. Finally reached the highpoint area. There are two very important things to note: 1. The highpoint may in fact be lower on the ridge than my waypoint based on the topo, as a few hundred horizontal feet further on, I came upon a national forest sign and border survey marker--the first I'd seen. And 2. That trail that dips down off Laurel Top does, in fact, stay a bit below the ridge until dumping you back onto it right around the highpoint area! I strongly, strongly recommend future highpointers take the trail all the way there--you&#39;ll save yourself a lot of headache.

Standing Indian--Clay and Macon NC COHP, P2K
Mildly interesting hike with good summit views from an overlook. The road to Deep Gap is good gravel, but narrow and winding--take care, as I almost hit a car coming around a blind corner! The AT has been rerouted compared to what's on the topo--just head left from the parking area and it'll eventually get you to near the top. The summit lookout tower has been removed, who knows how long ago. I did cut down off the ridgeline back to the trailhead at an opportune spot to expedite my return, contending with mild bushwhacking down steep slopes. I won't recommend it, but I also won't not recommend it--your call if you want to do this.

Richland Balsam--Jackson NC COHP, P2K
After a harder hike, I decided it was high time to do some balsaming around! This entails pleasant wandering at high altitudes in dark, peaceful pine forests, if you're wondering what "balsaming&quot; is. The drive up the BRP was just glorious, and you'll get some views of the Balsam as you approach from the south. The BRP reaches its highest point just a few tenths of a mile before the parking area for the trail. I did the clockwise loop. Highest rocks were obvious and just off the trail. Brought back some memories of my northern New England wanderings.

Chestnut Bald--Transylvania NC COHP
I'd heard some bad things about this one, so I set out with some trepidation--and long clothes! First made the quick side trip to Devils Courthouse, which was also well worth the trip. Then picked up the blazed trail over the tunnel, staying right at all junctions as I wound my way around the mountain, finally reaching the point of closest approach to the summit, somewhere around high ground on the trail. From here, I took a deep breath, left the trail...and to my surprise, found the bushwhacking to be quite mild! I suspect this route has become more popular as of late, and/or someone's come through and cleared out a lot of the underbrush. At any rate, I reached the summit in all of 5-10 minutes from leaving the trail, where I found a sign and small cairn. However, the true summit likely lies within the monstrosity of deadfall and moss behind the sign. I spent another ten minutes wandering this garbage until I was satisfied. Over an hour roundtrip.

Little Pisgah--Henderson NC COHP
My last peak of the day was a bit anticlimatic, with limited views and the much-higher Mt. Pisgah looming overhead. After surviving a brush with death thanks to the maniac who passed me in a no-pass zone going around a blind corner with oncoming traffic (I was going 5 over, by the way), I made it to the trailhead, making short work of the trail to the top, where I tagged several boulders in a long ridge before calling it good and heading down. No way to tell which was the highest.

10/8/15
Pinnacle--McDowell NC COHP
Awoke from my secret yet legal car-camping spot just off the BRP, driving back to the white-gated road that is the start of the route, seeing a black bear dash into the woods on the way! Enjoyed some spectacular clear dawn views of the Black Mountains crest. The hike was fairly short, with a good trail all the way to the summit along the ridgeline, which still bears the no-trespassing signs for the watershed area. High ground was atop some bare rocks that afforded very nice views of the surroundings. Half hour round trip.

Mt Mitchell--Yancey NC COHP, Ultra Prominent Peak, NC state highpoint, 31st most isolated peak on the planet, The First of her Name, Mother of Dragons, etc etc
Drove up this one again for old time's sake. There appears to be no charge for entering the park and hiking to the summit. New observation platform looks like a knockoff of the Clingmans Dome tower, and the trail to the summit is now completely paved. The views, though...well, I don't think they really get much clearer than they were this morning! Could see Clingmans Dome to Grandfather Mountain to the flat expanses to the east...had the summit to myself, too, on this crisp fall morning. Well worth the return visit!

Potato Knob--Buncombe NC COHP
My thoughts on this one cannot adequately be summed up in words on a family-friendly website.

I found the pulloff and start of the trail where I expected to. The MST, climbing very gently, gained the ridge, did a switchback on the N side of the ridge, crossed over it, then continued across the south face as it continued ascending. I'd had the impression the point at which you left the trail was far higher on the mountain, and had seen no side trails, and the topo showed the trail as passing fairly high and close to the SW of the summit...so I figured, maybe that ridge was the one you actually ascend! I was wrong, as it would turn out. Reaching high ground around 5800', I decided to just bushwhack straight to the summit from the trail. This was steep, tiring, and very boggy, but not too unpleasant--the pine forest was cool and with minimal underbrush, and there were just a few small rock faces to negotiate (read: go around). After what seemed like a long time, I popped onto the flatter summit area, quickly finding the highest rocks and picking up the climber's trail right next to them. I thought the descent would be cake. I was horribly mistaken.

After making it only 200' down the ridge or so (and after one side trip to a rocky outcropping), the trail dumped me onto another rocky outcropping overlooking the ridge. And the trail promptly disappeared. A bit of backtracking, then poking around in the brush on either side of the dropoff I was staring down, all proved fruitless. I figured I had no choice but to start bushwhacking down the ridge until I picked up the trail again. This was an awful, awful experience, being forced to bash my way through incredibly dense vegetation, often running into treacherously steep slopes I could barely see and wet exposed rock slabs that I had to descend, and probably couldn't&#39;ve safely reascended. Somehow I slowly, slowly found a way down this nightmare of cliffs, reaching gentler ground, and turning right to reconnect with the MST. On the return hike, I noted some brush piled up to hide the climber's trail, right at the crest of the E ridge. I did not investigate further; as no earthly force will ever convince me to return to that godforsaken peak, you'll have to figure it out for yourself.

Grassy Ridge Bald--Avery NC COHP
Tougher than expected, with a 2 hour round trip involving several ups and downs. This is a very popular area, and I ran into probably 50-100 hikers during the hike. Magnificent views into TN, of Roan High Knob, Grandfather Mountain, the monstrosity of the Sugar Top ski resort blighting the mountains to the north, and the Snake Mtn/the Peak group of summits. The Black Mountains were shrouded in mist by this point.

Roan High Knob--Mitchell NC and Carter TN COHP, P2K, 2nd lap list peak
This 2nd lap list peak affords no significant views, but I actually rather enjoyed it, for two reasons: a unique summit area, and a complete lack of the plague of people crowding the other side of Carvers Gap. The road leading up to the very short approach was gated shut for no discernible reason, so I was stuck hiking the AT from Carvers Gap. This was, however, a pleasant hike through the pines, never steep except for the final spur trail leading to the shelter. After passing the shelter where several backpackers were sitting around a campfire, I continued uphill through suddenly-open pine forest to the obvious rocky outcropping of summit boulders, which were surrounded by several tents already set up. The summit area had a mystical, almost Tolkienesque feel to it, as though it were a place where old friends would meet, and new ones would hold palaver...perhaps someday I'll return to spend a night there.

10/9/15
Snake Mountain (P2K) + Snake BM (Johnson TN COHP)
Did this pair from Rich Mtn Gap, as I didn't feel like bothering the landowners at 7 AM. Was a quick approach from Boone NC via the sinisterly-named Meat Camp Road. From the gap, I ended up picking up a trail well to the right of the large black rock outcropping, which gained a bit of ground in the woods then petered out. I did some easy bushwhacking to get higher and picked up the right trail. The trails up here are faint, but expedite the process when you can stay on them. I emerged onto some bare rock outcroppings a bit south of the summit, which offered impressive views south, east, and west. The actual summit was treed in, and was one of a few brushy rock outcroppings just left of the trail. It took almost half an hour to continue north to the county highpoint, which was at a nice ledge on the northern summit or just south of it. The trails required some care due to moisture from the clouds just overhead, and the heavy cover of fall leaves. About 2.5 hours roundtrip.

The Peak--Ashe NC COHP
I did this one from the latest route suggested by Tom Layton, and found it to be probably the least miserable way to get up this beast. The "road" in to the gated cul-de-sac almost looks more like a driveway in spots, and this is definitely backwoods Appalachia in this little valley! The road was initially steep and rocky, but I was able to get up it with my car in low gear; you could probably coax most passenger cars with normal clearance up this road with care. I parked, hopped the fence on the right, and hauled butt up the old road. Previous directions were accurate, and when the road seemed to peter out at a sort of crossroads near the ridge crest, I turned left and followed a two-track a few hundred more yards till it faded out. From here, I passed through easy woods further north to where the ridge narrowed, and picked up an excellent herd path that generally stayed slightly east of the ridge crest. This dissipated as I was descending to the saddle between the south peak and the true summit, about 0.42 miles south of the latter. It indeed took me exactly an hour roundtrip to return to this spot; the bushwhacking starts out quite easy, but progresses and becomes especially bad the last 0.1 miles to the top. There are occasional herd trails, but much of the terrain is through moderate brush/trees on steep slopes with occasional exposed rock covered with wet leaves. I fell more than once. However, certainly by far not the worst bushwhacking I've ever encountered--the worst of it might rate a 6/10 on my personal scale, with most of it in the 3-4/10 range (I'd call off-trail on Potato Knob a solid 8 or 9, in comparison). Reached the rocky knob of a false summit, continued on a few minutes to slightly higher ground further north on the ridge. No views on this day as I was in the clouds. Retraced my steps back to the car, for a total of 2 hours up and maybe 1:20 on the descent. Here's the weird part: as I returned to the gate, I noticed a silver car parked there, which had somehow squeezed *behind* my car! A middle-aged woman was sitting in it, and as I hopped the fence back to my car, I simply said "howdy" and she replied in turn. She didn't seem overly friendly but didn't seem angry either, and said and did nothing further as I simply placed my hiking gear back in the car and slowly drove off. My suspicion is that someone noticed my car parked there and sent someone to make sure I wasn't up to any mischief, and when she encountered a soaking wet hiker with twigs in his hair, she decided I wasn't any trouble!

Near summit of Whitetop Mountain--Washington VA COHP
This was a return down memory lane, when I'd climbed Mt Rogers via Grayson Highlands some fourteen years prior with my dad. However, to get there from The Peak, I followed some roads cached on google maps on my phone, which seemed to show a simple minor highway leading from Lansing NC to just east of VA-600. As it turned out, this "single road" entailed a number of non-intuitive turns down random roads, several of them dirt! Definitely have a working road GPS, or really know what you're doing, if you try this route--you WILL get hopelessly lost otherwise! I finally got to 600, turned left onto the forest road leading up Whitetop, and drove it up several switchbacks in a large grassy meadow, with impressive if hazy views to the south. I reached the end of the road at a fenced-in tower complex and got out. Now here's the rub: the highest point of the mountain with the cairn and wooden stake, which is off in the woods to the right of the tower complex, is NOT the highest point in Washington County! There's a tri-county summit marker sitting in the middle of the complex, and some small boulders in the woods immediately left of the fence near some small wooden structure in a tree. I imagine that in theory, a lithe person could shimmy under the fence a bit right of where you park, and could walk out to the tri-county marker. I suspect that person would find that the boulders outside the fence appeared higher from there. Pure speculation of course! It felt very cold up here, and I found myself shivering whenever I'd knock moisture loose from crawling through the pines up here. Got a few decent views of Mount Rogers just to the east on the way down.

10/11/15
Beacon Pole Hill, RI--RI second lap list peak and only ranked peak in state
I had to return for this state prominence (and only!) peak, as I'd actually visited the wrong spot in 2010. This time, I pulled up into a different driveway at 233 Tower Rd, where I found several cars parked (football Sunday, perhaps?). Rang the doorbell, a friendly middle-aged gentleman opened it, and once I asked to visit the summit, he immediately gave permission. He mentioned part of the area was his neighbor's property, but he was pretty sure the highest rock was on his own land. I walked over to the semi-open bare rock making up the summit bulge, tagged the highest ground, and quickly walked back to my car and left. Easy.

Prospect Hill, MA
This Middlesex County peak completed my goal of getting a ranked summit in every MA county (that has one). Drove into the park, discovered it was possible to drive Glen Rd much of the way toward the summit, parked at a small lot where some sort of cookout with several small screaming children was going on. Walked through open woods up to a shelter, turned right, and soon reached the summit area with its hideous concrete antenna tower thing. Highest ground is either near the fence, or (if not placed there by man) a tall boulder near the path.

Chickatawbut Hill, MA
This is the other ranked summit in Norfolk County that's not the Great Blue Hill. Pretty sure I walked right by this one on my Blue Hills traverse back in '08, but the true summit is fenced in. From the lookout with its closed tower (still nice views of downtown Boston if you stand on the stone wall near the road), I followed faint, then more established trails around an area of open yet thick low brush, finally nearing the summit area. A signed fence encircles the area, and seeing nobody around, I surmounted the gate and made a quick dash for high ground, either a grassy area near the solar panels or at the base of the short wooden observation deck. Some buildings sit just a bit below the summit, with at least one car present on this quiet fall weekend evening, but if anybody saw my frantic sprint to the summit areas, they didn't make themselves known. Hopped back, found a more expedient trail that dumped me on the road just a hundred yards from my car.

With this trip, I finished everything I wanted to accomplish in WV, VA, MD, PA, DE, DC, RI, and MA. I also whittled down NC and TN to a much more modest list. Definitely some gorgeous hiking to be had on these points, particularly the southern Appalachians!


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Re: [cohp] Huge TR collection--MA, RI, PA, MD, DE, DC, VA, WV, NC, T
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Aghast, those easy eastern County High Point, brings back a lot of memories.

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Below is the result of two weeks of time "off" from school, which enabled me to take a pretty good chunk out of everything I want to climb in the southeastern US! Basically going after 2nd lap list peaks, COHPs over 5000', and P2Ks. Enjoy!

9/28/15
Philadelphia PA COHP
Not much to add here. Very easy if you're in the Philly area and have a car.

9/30/15
Shade Mtn--Snyder PA COHP (2 areas), 2nd lap candidate
Followed previous directions, driving up the gravel road to the trailhead (road was perfectly passable for cars). The smaller area north of the trail had some semi-obvious high ground in a relatively small area; the larger crescent-shaped area was a nightmare of ambiguity. I sort of just followed high ground in an arc through moderate brush and occasional open areas, tagging stuff that looked highest, but you could really spend hours up here just gridding. One spot had three rocks stacked in a small cairn--as good a spot as any for the HP, I suppose. Very unpleasant in the rain. No views.

Big/Tuscarora Mtn--Franklin & Fulton COHP, 2nd lap candidate
Good dirt roads led to the summit area, with high ground appearing to be in the large clearing to the E of the loop road. Looks like this would've had some nice views off the summit in places, were we not clouded in, oh well...

Quirauk Mtn--Washington MD COHP, 2nd lap peak
I'd arranged permission with Kelly Swanger a month or two beforehand, and the visit indeed went smoothly. Drove up the paved, yet poor-condition road to the guard shack at the end of the road. We waited patiently until a facility police officer came over to speak with us, asking if we were "the hikers". After confirming we were, he explained the ground rules to us, including the request to take NO photographs of anything inside the installation fencing (natural landmarks outside of it, and views through the clear-cuts off the summit containing power lines are okay). He mentioned prior visitors had promised not to take pictures of the facility, had had their cameras checked, and were found to have lied. To future visitors: please don't be these people and potentially jeopardize access for others.

My dad and I wandered the summit area for 10 minutes or so. My vote for highest natural ground is the large squarish boulder into the woods on the north end of the complex. Given how different the ground around the facility is from the surrounding woods, I think anything inside (and a lot outside) the fence can be assumed to be manmade. My camera was indeed rechecked upon exit, but the officer was never anything but friendly and professional, and nobody else bothered us on our visit. Definitely go through the proper channels for this one.

We enjoyed some of our only views of the day as the clouds lifted somewhat while we were on the mountain. Nice views off the old hang-gliding spot at High Rock to the farm country to the west, and a nice limited view from the summit to the northeast.

Fort Reno--DC HP
Came back 14 years after my first visit to tag true highest natural ground--not the reservoir fence, but a grassy hill across the street from Woodrow Wilson HS. Parked at a meter and made the quick dash to the top, with a friendly older black man with his dog pointing us toward the survey marker. Back at the car in 3 minutes.

Mt Hamilton--DC prominence point
Pretty area, but hellish to reach from Fort Reno, with the drive taking a full half hour through the District. There's a very active police station right near the entrance to the Arboretum, which had me on edge a bit. The Arboretum is now open during business hours 7 days a week per their website, and indeed, the gates were open and there is no charge for admission. However, the road leading to the summit is signed for foot traffic only, so we parked at the base and briskly walked the few tenths of a mile to the top. High ground appears to be at the base of some trees within the summit road loop. No views from the top, though there was a brief glimpse of the Capitol, Washington Monument, and office buildings across the river in Arlington/Alexandria VA as we drove the one-way road around the mountain back to the entrance.

Iron Hill--DE 2nd lap peak
Drove up to just below the summit via the neighborhood of well-kept McMansions on the south slopes of the hill. A short grassy track lined with pines between two houses leads to the water tower. Who knows where high ground is--much of what's in the flat patch of woods east of the water tower consists of man-made bumps of garbage. Had a decent view of the flat, tree-covered expanse that is the rest of Delaware as we drove back down the mountain.

10/1/15
Reddish Knob, VA/KY P2K
Tricky road network to reach this one, so do your research beforehand. Not helped by an overzealous cop pulling someone behind me over, which led to me losing my GPS track to the summit and wasting a bunch of extra time getting signal back on my phone to regain it. The roads from the VA/WV state line to the top are exceedingly narrow (1 car only!), with only occasional pullouts, so proceed with caution. Clouds closed in as I neared the top, and I never had a view of anything else than cloud from the bare summit area. Will return in better weather so I can actually see what northern VA and WV look like (I did Spruce Knob in a snowstorm). A second attempt for views a week later on my way north yielded similar results, unfortunately.

Hawksbill--Madison and Page VA COHP, P2K
Paid 20 bucks to drive through rain and clouds, then hike through same from Hawksbill Gap to the rocky outcroppings that make up the summit. 30 minutes roundtrip, no views. Another place I'll have to return someday in pleasanter weather.

10/2/15
Durham NC COHP
Was visiting a friend in the area and decided to make the quick side trip to climb this one. Parked as previous COHPers have reported, with house 13319 currently up for sale. Quickly dashed into the ample forest cover between the two houses across the street, but I wasn't too worried about anyone bothering me at 8 AM on a rainy weekday, and once in the woods, you can mostly stay out of sight of the neighboring houses unless they're really looking for you. Lots of rocks to tag, but all in a pretty small area entirely between the two houses in the woods. Took all of 5 minutes total and I was outta there.

10/5/15
Flag Pole/Cross Mountain--Anderson and Campbell TN COHP, P2K
>From Briceville, had a bit of trouble finding the correct road. Made the correct initial left turn off pavement to a dirt road, but when that road immediately split just after, I incorrectly went right and ended up on a steep track, where I encountered a friendly government worker heading the opposite direction who pointed me toward the other fork. This left fork was the correct route, and staying on the main track, led me to just below the summit. It's passable in a car, but consistently steep, with some rocky sections--go slow or be prepared for a bumpy ride! The spur road to the summit area has a washout at its start, which requires some care to negotiate, but can be done in a car. Wandered the summit area till I was satisfied, enjoying some limited views on this gorgeous October day.

English Mtn TN--Jefferson TN COHP, P2K
I again had some navigational issues driving to the "trailhead&quot; for this peak. To make things a bit clearer, once you've passed the main condo building and made a left onto Glasgow Rd, you take the next major left on a dirt-ish road less than a tenth of a mile past your turn onto Glasgow. The road should bend around to the right (and you should stay right) as it wraps around some sort of storage tank facility, then a steep paved-ish road goes straight up the mountainside and promptly turns to a rough ATV track just past the last house. There's ample room to park in a grassy area. I parked and immediately set out, following the old road to the gap, where I made a quick side trip to Cutoff Peak; this is HIGHLY worthwhile! Your only excuse for not doing it is if you're in the clouds. Returning to the gap to find the manway up to the summit ridge, I followed faint two-tracks up to the east/right, which soon became a more well-defined overgrown ATV track. This is pretty steep, but gets you to a few tenths of a mile south of the summit in a hurry. From here, a brief road walk past some radio towers to an old fenced-in lookout tower takes you to the highpoint area. True highest ground is in some hellacious brambles a few dozen feet from the tower. I contemplated hopping the 10' fence to climb the tower, but ultimately decided not to. Saw no signage besides a no-trespassing sign at the turnoff from Glasgow Rd, and nobody bothered me. Passed a car that'd driven off Blowing Cave Road into the trees on my way back to the highway, a cop car was already there.

10/6/15
Thunderhead Mtn--Blount ("Blunt") TN COHP
This one isn't difficult, just long, at 14 miles roundtrip from Cades Cove CG. The grade never really approached anything more than moderate, and is mostly mild. Climbed this one with my cousin who lives in Maryville, and we had a blast! Amazing views amongst the clouds once we topped out at the AT, with the best views happening from the summit of Rocky Top. During our short remaining trip to Thunderhead itself, the clouds rolled in again and never really lifted. True summit had limited views and a very short side trail to the highest rocks. Very nice hike, aside from the clueless gapers hiking and on horseback we encountered that day.

10/7/15
Huckleberry Knob--Graham NC COHP, P2K, 2nd lap list peak
Short, sweet, and some of the best views I've ever seen, with much of western NC and eastern TN at my feet on this crystal-clear fall morning, just a short while after dawn, valleys hidden in a sea of clouds. Had this glorious bald to myself. Just incredible...muddy trail though.

Haw Knob--Monroe TN COHP
Short drive from Huckleberry. Avoided the brambles at the start of the overgrown road, and from there on to the summit, it was somewhere between overgrown trail and easy bushwhack following the road. Long sleeves recommended but not a must.

Cherokee NC COHP candidate
Note: I did NOT do the other two candidates for this county! Will attempt at some later date. I stopped back at my car after Haw, then found the trail over Johnson and Laurel Top. From the latter, the maintained trail dropped off the left side of the ridge, and a faint but definite path continued over the summit and down the ridge all the way to the highpoint. The overgrowth, however, sucked. Rhododendrons, vines, brambles, dense deciduous forest, undergrowth...this ridgeline had it all, and it was slow going. Finally reached the highpoint area. There are two very important things to note: 1. The highpoint may in fact be lower on the ridge than my waypoint based on the topo, as a few hundred horizontal feet further on, I came upon a national forest sign and border survey marker--the first I'd seen. And 2. That trail that dips down off Laurel Top does, in fact, stay a bit below the ridge until dumping you back onto it right around the highpoint area! I strongly, strongly recommend future highpointers take the trail all the way there--you&#39;ll save yourself a lot of headache.

Standing Indian--Clay and Macon NC COHP, P2K
Mildly interesting hike with good summit views from an overlook. The road to Deep Gap is good gravel, but narrow and winding--take care, as I almost hit a car coming around a blind corner! The AT has been rerouted compared to what's on the topo--just head left from the parking area and it'll eventually get you to near the top. The summit lookout tower has been removed, who knows how long ago. I did cut down off the ridgeline back to the trailhead at an opportune spot to expedite my return, contending with mild bushwhacking down steep slopes. I won't recommend it, but I also won't not recommend it--your call if you want to do this.

Richland Balsam--Jackson NC COHP, P2K
After a harder hike, I decided it was high time to do some balsaming around! This entails pleasant wandering at high altitudes in dark, peaceful pine forests, if you're wondering what "balsaming&quot; is. The drive up the BRP was just glorious, and you'll get some views of the Balsam as you approach from the south. The BRP reaches its highest point just a few tenths of a mile before the parking area for the trail. I did the clockwise loop. Highest rocks were obvious and just off the trail. Brought back some memories of my northern New England wanderings.

Chestnut Bald--Transylvania NC COHP
I'd heard some bad things about this one, so I set out with some trepidation--and long clothes! First made the quick side trip to Devils Courthouse, which was also well worth the trip. Then picked up the blazed trail over the tunnel, staying right at all junctions as I wound my way around the mountain, finally reaching the point of closest approach to the summit, somewhere around high ground on the trail. From here, I took a deep breath, left the trail...and to my surprise, found the bushwhacking to be quite mild! I suspect this route has become more popular as of late, and/or someone's come through and cleared out a lot of the underbrush. At any rate, I reached the summit in all of 5-10 minutes from leaving the trail, where I found a sign and small cairn. However, the true summit likely lies within the monstrosity of deadfall and moss behind the sign. I spent another ten minutes wandering this garbage until I was satisfied. Over an hour roundtrip.

Little Pisgah--Henderson NC COHP
My last peak of the day was a bit anticlimatic, with limited views and the much-higher Mt. Pisgah looming overhead. After surviving a brush with death thanks to the maniac who passed me in a no-pass zone going around a blind corner with oncoming traffic (I was going 5 over, by the way), I made it to the trailhead, making short work of the trail to the top, where I tagged several boulders in a long ridge before calling it good and heading down. No way to tell which was the highest.

10/8/15
Pinnacle--McDowell NC COHP
Awoke from my secret yet legal car-camping spot just off the BRP, driving back to the white-gated road that is the start of the route, seeing a black bear dash into the woods on the way! Enjoyed some spectacular clear dawn views of the Black Mountains crest. The hike was fairly short, with a good trail all the way to the summit along the ridgeline, which still bears the no-trespassing signs for the watershed area. High ground was atop some bare rocks that afforded very nice views of the surroundings. Half hour round trip.

Mt Mitchell--Yancey NC COHP, Ultra Prominent Peak, NC state highpoint, 31st most isolated peak on the planet, The First of her Name, Mother of Dragons, etc etc
Drove up this one again for old time's sake. There appears to be no charge for entering the park and hiking to the summit. New observation platform looks like a knockoff of the Clingmans Dome tower, and the trail to the summit is now completely paved. The views, though...well, I don't think they really get much clearer than they were this morning! Could see Clingmans Dome to Grandfather Mountain to the flat expanses to the east...had the summit to myself, too, on this crisp fall morning. Well worth the return visit!

Potato Knob--Buncombe NC COHP
My thoughts on this one cannot adequately be summed up in words on a family-friendly website.

I found the pulloff and start of the trail where I expected to. The MST, climbing very gently, gained the ridge, did a switchback on the N side of the ridge, crossed over it, then continued across the south face as it continued ascending. I'd had the impression the point at which you left the trail was far higher on the mountain, and had seen no side trails, and the topo showed the trail as passing fairly high and close to the SW of the summit...so I figured, maybe that ridge was the one you actually ascend! I was wrong, as it would turn out. Reaching high ground around 5800', I decided to just bushwhack straight to the summit from the trail. This was steep, tiring, and very boggy, but not too unpleasant--the pine forest was cool and with minimal underbrush, and there were just a few small rock faces to negotiate (read: go around). After what seemed like a long time, I popped onto the flatter summit area, quickly finding the highest rocks and picking up the climber's trail right next to them. I thought the descent would be cake. I was horribly mistaken.

After making it only 200' down the ridge or so (and after one side trip to a rocky outcropping), the trail dumped me onto another rocky outcropping overlooking the ridge. And the trail promptly disappeared. A bit of backtracking, then poking around in the brush on either side of the dropoff I was staring down, all proved fruitless. I figured I had no choice but to start bushwhacking down the ridge until I picked up the trail again. This was an awful, awful experience, being forced to bash my way through incredibly dense vegetation, often running into treacherously steep slopes I could barely see and wet exposed rock slabs that I had to descend, and probably couldn't&#39;ve safely reascended. Somehow I slowly, slowly found a way down this nightmare of cliffs, reaching gentler ground, and turning right to reconnect with the MST. On the return hike, I noted some brush piled up to hide the climber's trail, right at the crest of the E ridge. I did not investigate further; as no earthly force will ever convince me to return to that godforsaken peak, you'll have to figure it out for yourself.

Grassy Ridge Bald--Avery NC COHP
Tougher than expected, with a 2 hour round trip involving several ups and downs. This is a very popular area, and I ran into probably 50-100 hikers during the hike. Magnificent views into TN, of Roan High Knob, Grandfather Mountain, the monstrosity of the Sugar Top ski resort blighting the mountains to the north, and the Snake Mtn/the Peak group of summits. The Black Mountains were shrouded in mist by this point.

Roan High Knob--Mitchell NC and Carter TN COHP, P2K, 2nd lap list peak
This 2nd lap list peak affords no significant views, but I actually rather enjoyed it, for two reasons: a unique summit area, and a complete lack of the plague of people crowding the other side of Carvers Gap. The road leading up to the very short approach was gated shut for no discernible reason, so I was stuck hiking the AT from Carvers Gap. This was, however, a pleasant hike through the pines, never steep except for the final spur trail leading to the shelter. After passing the shelter where several backpackers were sitting around a campfire, I continued uphill through suddenly-open pine forest to the obvious rocky outcropping of summit boulders, which were surrounded by several tents already set up. The summit area had a mystical, almost Tolkienesque feel to it, as though it were a place where old friends would meet, and new ones would hold palaver...perhaps someday I'll return to spend a night there.

10/9/15
Snake Mountain (P2K) + Snake BM (Johnson TN COHP)
Did this pair from Rich Mtn Gap, as I didn't feel like bothering the landowners at 7 AM. Was a quick approach from Boone NC via the sinisterly-named Meat Camp Road. From the gap, I ended up picking up a trail well to the right of the large black rock outcropping, which gained a bit of ground in the woods then petered out. I did some easy bushwhacking to get higher and picked up the right trail. The trails up here are faint, but expedite the process when you can stay on them. I emerged onto some bare rock outcroppings a bit south of the summit, which offered impressive views south, east, and west. The actual summit was treed in, and was one of a few brushy rock outcroppings just left of the trail. It took almost half an hour to continue north to the county highpoint, which was at a nice ledge on the northern summit or just south of it. The trails required some care due to moisture from the clouds just overhead, and the heavy cover of fall leaves. About 2.5 hours roundtrip.

The Peak--Ashe NC COHP
I did this one from the latest route suggested by Tom Layton, and found it to be probably the least miserable way to get up this beast. The "road" in to the gated cul-de-sac almost looks more like a driveway in spots, and this is definitely backwoods Appalachia in this little valley! The road was initially steep and rocky, but I was able to get up it with my car in low gear; you could probably coax most passenger cars with normal clearance up this road with care. I parked, hopped the fence on the right, and hauled butt up the old road. Previous directions were accurate, and when the road seemed to peter out at a sort of crossroads near the ridge crest, I turned left and followed a two-track a few hundred more yards till it faded out. From here, I passed through easy woods further north to where the ridge narrowed, and picked up an excellent herd path that generally stayed slightly east of the ridge crest. This dissipated as I was descending to the saddle between the south peak and the true summit, about 0.42 miles south of the latter. It indeed took me exactly an hour roundtrip to return to this spot; the bushwhacking starts out quite easy, but progresses and becomes especially bad the last 0.1 miles to the top. There are occasional herd trails, but much of the terrain is through moderate brush/trees on steep slopes with occasional exposed rock covered with wet leaves. I fell more than once. However, certainly by far not the worst bushwhacking I've ever encountered--the worst of it might rate a 6/10 on my personal scale, with most of it in the 3-4/10 range (I'd call off-trail on Potato Knob a solid 8 or 9, in comparison). Reached the rocky knob of a false summit, continued on a few minutes to slightly higher ground further north on the ridge. No views on this day as I was in the clouds. Retraced my steps back to the car, for a total of 2 hours up and maybe 1:20 on the descent. Here's the weird part: as I returned to the gate, I noticed a silver car parked there, which had somehow squeezed *behind* my car! A middle-aged woman was sitting in it, and as I hopped the fence back to my car, I simply said "howdy" and she replied in turn. She didn't seem overly friendly but didn't seem angry either, and said and did nothing further as I simply placed my hiking gear back in the car and slowly drove off. My suspicion is that someone noticed my car parked there and sent someone to make sure I wasn't up to any mischief, and when she encountered a soaking wet hiker with twigs in his hair, she decided I wasn't any trouble!

Near summit of Whitetop Mountain--Washington VA COHP
This was a return down memory lane, when I'd climbed Mt Rogers via Grayson Highlands some fourteen years prior with my dad. However, to get there from The Peak, I followed some roads cached on google maps on my phone, which seemed to show a simple minor highway leading from Lansing NC to just east of VA-600. As it turned out, this "single road" entailed a number of non-intuitive turns down random roads, several of them dirt! Definitely have a working road GPS, or really know what you're doing, if you try this route--you WILL get hopelessly lost otherwise! I finally got to 600, turned left onto the forest road leading up Whitetop, and drove it up several switchbacks in a large grassy meadow, with impressive if hazy views to the south. I reached the end of the road at a fenced-in tower complex and got out. Now here's the rub: the highest point of the mountain with the cairn and wooden stake, which is off in the woods to the right of the tower complex, is NOT the highest point in Washington County! There's a tri-county summit marker sitting in the middle of the complex, and some small boulders in the woods immediately left of the fence near some small wooden structure in a tree. I imagine that in theory, a lithe person could shimmy under the fence a bit right of where you park, and could walk out to the tri-county marker. I suspect that person would find that the boulders outside the fence appeared higher from there. Pure speculation of course! It felt very cold up here, and I found myself shivering whenever I'd knock moisture loose from crawling through the pines up here. Got a few decent views of Mount Rogers just to the east on the way down.

10/11/15
Beacon Pole Hill, RI--RI second lap list peak and only ranked peak in state
I had to return for this state prominence (and only!) peak, as I'd actually visited the wrong spot in 2010. This time, I pulled up into a different driveway at 233 Tower Rd, where I found several cars parked (football Sunday, perhaps?). Rang the doorbell, a friendly middle-aged gentleman opened it, and once I asked to visit the summit, he immediately gave permission. He mentioned part of the area was his neighbor's property, but he was pretty sure the highest rock was on his own land. I walked over to the semi-open bare rock making up the summit bulge, tagged the highest ground, and quickly walked back to my car and left. Easy.

Prospect Hill, MA
This Middlesex County peak completed my goal of getting a ranked summit in every MA county (that has one). Drove into the park, discovered it was possible to drive Glen Rd much of the way toward the summit, parked at a small lot where some sort of cookout with several small screaming children was going on. Walked through open woods up to a shelter, turned right, and soon reached the summit area with its hideous concrete antenna tower thing. Highest ground is either near the fence, or (if not placed there by man) a tall boulder near the path.

Chickatawbut Hill, MA
This is the other ranked summit in Norfolk County that's not the Great Blue Hill. Pretty sure I walked right by this one on my Blue Hills traverse back in '08, but the true summit is fenced in. From the lookout with its closed tower (still nice views of downtown Boston if you stand on the stone wall near the road), I followed faint, then more established trails around an area of open yet thick low brush, finally nearing the summit area. A signed fence encircles the area, and seeing nobody around, I surmounted the gate and made a quick dash for high ground, either a grassy area near the solar panels or at the base of the short wooden observation deck. Some buildings sit just a bit below the summit, with at least one car present on this quiet fall weekend evening, but if anybody saw my frantic sprint to the summit areas, they didn't make themselves known. Hopped back, found a more expedient trail that dumped me on the road just a hundred yards from my car.

With this trip, I finished everything I wanted to accomplish in WV, VA, MD, PA, DE, DC, RI, and MA. I also whittled down NC and TN to a much more modest list. Definitely some gorgeous hiking to be had on these points, particularly the southern Appalachians!


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Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:02 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Hearty congratulations to Brian Frankle on his completion of the county HPs of Oregon.  Brian finished the Beaver State on Oct. 4 in Lincoln County.  He is the 14th completer of Oregon, and the first to do so in Lincoln County.  Oregon has now been completed in 11 of its 36 counties.

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Need help with Fred Johnson's message below. My copy of this showed a lot of goggledygook, which may or may now show up below. Fred e-mailed me privately asking about all the extraneous crud, and also mentioned that he didn't see the attachment. although my copy is showing it, and I was able to download it both from the original received e-mail and on the Yahoo group site.

Can anyone shed light on why the message text is so messed up?

Mike Schwaretz

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