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[cohp] Digest Number 5182
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County High Pointing in all 50 states
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Digest #5182
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Re: quiz.... by powdrfox
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Re: quiz.... by "xander Carlson" xandathor
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Re: Quiz.... by davidwmolson2
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Re: Quiz.... by "Beth Lakin" beth3up
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Re: Quiz.... by "Jon Mann" dback_jon
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Re: Quiz.... by "Scott Surgent" surgent1

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Re: quiz....
Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:19 am (PDT) . Posted by:
powdrfox
Iowa is actually not a runner up to Michigan because Carlson completed it last year. I see that that is not shown on cohp.org, though.
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Re: quiz....
Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"xander Carlson" xandathor
I'm workin on it. Took a swipe last week in the Sleeping Bear region. Gonna try to get to the UP this year before the snows fall. Now that the three I's (Iowa, Indiana and Illinois) are pretty much done, I'm going to focus on the three M's (Minnesota, Michigan and Missouri) of the midwest.

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On Mon, 10/26/15, spookymike@aol.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [cohp] quiz....
To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2015, 2:44 PM


Knew the answer to the
first question.  Note also that the state has 83 counties,
and that the leading non-completer as shown on cohp and
peakbagger has only 33 counties, so unless someone gets
serious about this state, it may be a long time before we
see another completion.  My total is a lame 16.





Mike Schwartz























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Re: Quiz....
Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:17 am (PDT) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2

Beth Lakin wrote: NM has 33 counties to AZ's 15. That
probably has something to do with it.
.
That roused the question to me: What would be candidates for more counties in Arizona? And which would be candidates for consolidation in New Mexico?
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Arizona: To my eye, putting the Arizona Strip in its own county (and tossing in Page as well) makes sense. So would splitting Apache county. And Douglas county, although where to draw the split line is a question.
.
New Mexico: Consolidating De Baca, Guadalupe, Torrance and Lincoln counties would seem to make sense.

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Re: Quiz....
Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Beth Lakin" beth3up
Pima County is a place I want to suggest a change but really it wouldn't
increase the number of counties just change the alignment. The western part
of the county is really distinct from the Tucson area but doesn't really
have enough population to be its own county. The people of Ajo, the
furthest southwest community in the county, all go to Phoenix to do their
business so it would make a lot more sense to be part of Maricopa County.

I agree that Apache County should be divided but I would propose that a
line be drawn through Navajo and Apache Counties at the Navajo
Reservation&#39;s southern boundary. The area south of that line would be
merged into a new 3rd county in the area.
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Re: Quiz....
Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jon Mann" dback_jon
There is not a sufficient population in the Arizona Strip to support a new county.   Plus it would require approval from both Mohave and Coconino counties (as well as create a county with a polygamous majority), so that is not happening.

La Paz county in Arizona was the last (or one of the last) new counties in the lower 48 states. After that debacle, the procedure to split was made more difficult.
There have been some new county proposals, but they never get far:
1)  Split Mohave, creating new county centered around Lake Havasu City2)  Split Gila, creating new county centered around Payson3)  Create all Indian county in NE Arizona (or two, separate counties for Navajos and Hopis4)  Split the East Valley from Maricopa, adding in parts of Pinal

It would actually make more sense to get rid of Pinal county, and split it between Maricopa and Pima.

Jon MannMaricopa County AZ

  From: "DavidWmOlson@netscape.net [cohp]" <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:17 AM
Subject: [cohp] Re: Quiz....

  Beth Lakin wrote: NM has 33 counties to AZ's 15. That
probably has something to do with it.
.
That roused the question to me: What would be candidates for more counties in Arizona?  And which would be candidates for consolidation in New Mexico?
.
Arizona: To my eye, putting the Arizona Strip in its own county (and tossing in Page as well) makes sense.  So would splitting Apache county.  And Douglas county, although where to draw the split line is a question.
.
New Mexico: Consolidating De Baca, Guadalupe, Torrance and Lincoln counties would seem to make sense.
 
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Re: Quiz....
Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Scott Surgent" surgent1
Arizona has a relatively low number of counties due to it being populated
later in the 19th Century, and the population being centered around mining
towns, or forts. The territorial government usually created counties *after
*a city had developed enough prominence to warrant a new county around it,
rather than creating counties first, then hoping people would move to it,
which is what many other states did. Had Arizona done what other states
did, we'd have a bunch of remote counties with populations in the hundreds.

For example, most midwestern states have counties following a grid pattern.
The state would create counties out of thin air, then people would move in
as the railroads expanded west, or inducements were made with offers of
land. The result is a lot of counties with a fairly uniform population from
one county to the next, albeit with low numbers.

States like Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and even California would create
"strip" counties with one main city as its anchor, and the county would
then extend east and west to the state or territory's boundaries. The city
didn't have to be that big either. The result is a lot of counties, all
with a long east-west axis. You still see it to some effect with the long
narrow counties in Utah, those around Denver, and Riverside County in CA,
which has never been subsequently split.

The current-day county boundaries in Arizona don't make a whole lot of
sense, but most of these appendages are underpopulated desert, and in this
era, there just isn't that much of a motivation to split counties. Jon
mentions the La Paz County situation, which seemed like a good idea at the
time (1982-83), but proved to be extremely costly and essentially
bankrupted the county for many years.

When I was with SAR years ago, the Coconino County guys mentioned that by
having both sides of the Grand Canyon within one county, it made rescues
and jurisdictional matters much simpler. As Jon mentions, there is almost
no population north of the Grand Canyon, nor infrastructure. There would be
no money for the new county.

A couple other possible Arizona County proposals: (1) split Coconino, with
Williams as the seat of new Hunt County; (2) split Maricopa, with
Wickenburg the seat of new Hassayampa County. Both of these were proposed
around World War II.

Regarding consolidation: people would lose jobs... especially when the
county government is the biggest employer. There have been no
consolidations except in South Dakota, but they still have unorganized
counties with no formal government, so those can be dissolved at will.
Virginia is also a special case with its myriad of independent cities.

I would be surprised if any new county were to form anywhere in the next 30
years...

Scott

On 27 October 2015 at 08:55, Jon Mann dback_jon@yahoo.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> There is not a sufficient population in the Arizona Strip to support a new
> county. Plus it would require approval from both Mohave and Coconino
> counties (as well as create a county with a polygamous majority), so that
> is not happening.
>
>
> La Paz county in Arizona was the last (or one of the last) new counties in
> the lower 48 states. After that debacle, the procedure to split was made
> more difficult.
>
> There have been some new county proposals, but they never get far:
> 1) Split Mohave, creating new county centered around Lake Havasu City
> 2) Split Gila, creating new county centered around Payson
> 3) Create all Indian county in NE Arizona (or two, separate counties for
> Navajos and Hopis
> 4) Split the East Valley from Maricopa, adding in parts of Pinal
>
>
> It would actually make more sense to get rid of Pinal county, and split it
> between Maricopa and Pima.
>
>
> Jon Mann
> Maricopa County AZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Scott Surgent
Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
Arizona State University, Tempe
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