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[cohp] Digest Number 5193
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County High Pointing in all 50 states
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Digest #5193
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Re. Northwestern Hawaiian by davidwmolson2
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Re: Aleutian Islands by gregslayden
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Re: Aleutian Islands by nj55er
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Re: Aleutian Islands by "fplobdell" deadbugman
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Re: Aleutian Islands by newenglandhiker
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Re: Aleutian Islands by ginger37372000

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Re. Northwestern Hawaiian
Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:41 am (PST) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2

Lanny Wexler wrote "The northwestern Hawaiian
Islands are atolls stretching from east to west include Nihoa, Necker Island,
Frigate Island, Gardner Pinnacles (not an atoll), French Shoals, Marco Reef,
Laysan Island, Lisianski Island, Pearl and Hermes Atoll, Eastern Sand Island and
Kure Island. Midway Island which is east of Kure Island is not part of Hawaii
and is designated a US territory."

Actually those are a mix of volcanoes rising above the waves, and
atolls built on top of volcanic basements. From east to west, Nihoa,
Necker, one island of the French Frigate Shoals, and Gardiner Pinnacles
are volcanoes, while the other islands of the French Frigate Shoals
and everything northwest of Gardiner Pinnacles are atolls.

Eastern Sand Island, I believe, is part of the Midway atoll, and part
of the Naval Reservation, and a separate unincorporated territory.

In history terms, the people of Niihau had long contact with Nihoa,
and would go up there regularly to fish and to pray for rain. I could
see Nihoa as part of Niihau district and of Kauai county, but it didn't
happen. The rest of islands were 'found' during the 19th century,
and it is not surprising that the Hawaiian monarch would claim them
for himself, and thus into Honolulu county.

Interesting that in direction and association the island of Kaala is
associated with Niihau rather than with the northwestern Leeward
Hawaiian Islands.

davidwmolson@aim.com

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Re: Aleutian Islands
Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:29 pm (PST) . Posted by:
gregslayden
I feel very strongly that Maine is the easternmost state, and giving Alaska that honor due to the entirely arbitrary 180-degree meridian bisecting the Aleutians is preposterous.


The 180-degree meridian runs through the mainland of Siberia, so does that mean the easternmost and westernmost parts of Russia are both a line segment at this imaginary line? Of course not.


It was at an 1884 conference that the Greenwich meridian was chosen as the international standard. Were the easternmost and westernmost points of any countries different before 1884? Of course not.


Finding the easternmost and westernmost points of a polygon on the surface of the earth should be 100% independent of the arbitrary longitude grid centered on Greenwich. To my mind, the only rational method is to find the geographic center of the area in question, and then find the points furthest east and west from that center point. Therefore, Attu Island in Alaska is the furthest west point in the 50 states, and West Quoddy Head in Maine is the easternmost. Any talk of Amatignak and Semisopochnoi Islands having these honors is just pedantic and silly.



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Alaska boats northernmost, westernmost and easternmost points in the United States.


Easternmost point of United States is not West Quoddy Head, ME.


Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semisopochnoi_Island Easternmost point of the United States and Alaska!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semisopochnoi_Island

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encycl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semisopochnoi_Island Semisopochnoi Island or Unyak Island (Russian: ????????????  "having seven hills"; Aleut: Unyax[1]) is part of the Rat Islands group in the western Aleut...



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Westernmost and southernmost point of Alaska


Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amatignak_Island


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amatignak_Island

Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amatignak_Island Amatignak Island (Aleut: Amatignax?[1]) is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The southernmost point...



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Its also interesting to note the Aleutian Islands are divided between the Aleutian East Borough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska


Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska

Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska Aleutians East Borough /??l?u???nz/ is a 2nd class borough located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census the borough had a population of 3,141.[3] T...



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and Aleutian West Census Area. Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_West_Census_Area,_Alaska


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_West_Census_Area,_Alaska

Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_West_Census_Area,_Alaska Aleutians West Census Area is a census area located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census, the population was 5,561.[1] It is part of the Unorganized B...



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Re: Aleutian Islands
Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:53 pm (PST) . Posted by:
nj55er
Many years ago I purchased the topo showing the western tip of Attu, Cape Wrangell, with the idea of someday visiting it. Needless to say...

Do any our members know of anyone who has visited the tip of Attu, or better yet have any of our group members ever set foot on Attu and/or visited the Cape?

And then there's Attu Mountain, the highpoint. I bet that sees a lot of ascents (not).

Mike Schwartz

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From: gregslayden@hotmail.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
To: cohp <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2015 8:29 pm
Subject: [cohp] Re: Aleutian Islands

I feel very strongly that Maine is the easternmost state, and giving Alaska that honor due to the entirely arbitrary 180-degree meridian bisecting the Aleutians is preposterous.

The 180-degree meridian runs through the mainland of Siberia, so does that mean the easternmost and westernmost parts of Russia are both a line segment at this imaginary line? Of course not.

It was at an 1884 conference that the Greenwich meridian was chosen as the international standard. Were the easternmost and westernmost points of any countries different before 1884? Of course not.

Finding the easternmost and westernmost points of a polygon on the surface of the earth should be 100% independent of the arbitrary longitude grid centered on Greenwich. To my mind, the only rational method is to find the geographic center of the area in question, and then find the points furthest east and west from that center point. Therefore, Attu Island in Alaska is the furthest west point in the 50 states, and West Quoddy Head in Maine is the easternmost. Any talk of Amatignak and Semisopochnoi Islands having these honors is just pedantic and silly.

---In cohp@yahoogroups.com, <highpt43@...> wrote :

Alaska boats northernmost, westernmost and easternmost points in the United States.

Easternmost point of United States is not West Quoddy Head, ME.

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Easternmost point of the United States and Alaska!

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encycl...
Semisopochnoi Island or Unyak Island (Russian: ????????????  "having seven hills"; Aleut: Unyax[1]) is part of the Rat Islands group in the western Aleut...

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Westernmost and southernmost point of Alaska

Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Amatignak Island (Aleut: Amatignax?[1]) is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The southernmost point...

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Its also interesting to note the Aleutian Islands are divided between the Aleutian East Borough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska ;

Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free...
Aleutians East Borough /??l?u???nz/ is a 2nd class borough located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census the borough had a population of 3,141.[3] T...

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and Aleutian West Census Area. Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free...
Aleutians West Census Area is a census area located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census, the population was 5,561.[1] It is part of the Unorganized B...

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Lanny Wexler

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Re: Aleutian Islands
Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:15 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"fplobdell" deadbugman

I agree completely with Greg.

Fred Lobdell

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To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:29:17 PM
Subject: [cohp] Re: Aleutian Islands

 

I feel very strongly that Maine is the easternmost state, and giving Alaska that honor due to the entirely arbitrary 180-degree meridian bisecting the Aleutians is preposterous. 

The 180-degree meridian runs through the mainland of Siberia, so does that mean the easternmost and westernmost parts of Russia are both a line segment at this imaginary line?  Of course not. 

It was at an 1884 conference that the Greenwich meridian was chosen as the international standard.  Were the easternmost and westernmost points of any countries different before 1884?  Of course not.

Finding the easternmost and westernmost points of a polygon on the surface of the earth should be 100% independent of the arbitrary longitude grid centered on Greenwich.  To my mind, the only rational method is to find the geographic center of the area in question, and then find the points furthest east and west from that center point.  Therefore, Attu Island in Alaska is the furthest west point in the 50 states, and West Quoddy Head in Maine is the easternmost.  Any talk of Amatignak and Semisopochnoi Islands having these honors is just pedantic and silly.

---In cohp@yahoogroups.com, <highpt43@...> wrote :

Alaska boats northernmost, westernmost and easternmost points in the United States.

Easternmost point of United States is not West Quoddy Head, ME.

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia   Easternmost point of the United States and Alaska!


image


Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encycl...
Semisopochnoi Island or Unyak Island (Russian: ????????????  "having seven hills"; Aleut: Unyax[1]) is part of the Rat Islands group in the western Aleut...

View on en.wikipedia.org
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Westernmost and southernmost point of Alaska

Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


image


Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Amatignak Island (Aleut: Amatignax?[1]) is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The southernmost point...

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Its also interesting to note the Aleutian Islands are divided between the Aleutian East Borough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska   

Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


image


Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free...
Aleutians East Borough /??l?u???nz/ is a 2nd class borough located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census the borough had a population of 3,141.[3] T...

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and Aleutian West Census Area. Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


image


Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free...
Aleutians West Census Area is a census area located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census, the population was 5,561.[1] It is part of the Unorganized B...

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Lanny Wexler

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Re: Aleutian Islands
Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:25 pm (PST) . Posted by:
newenglandhiker
Gregs credibility is unimpeachable and his logic is flawless. Once again, this group is set on a wild goose chase on irrelevant and irrational posts.



Roy Wallen

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Re: Aleutian Islands
Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:39 pm (PST) . Posted by:
ginger37372000
.....better yet have any of our group members ever set foot on Attu.....

Yes, three times in the 70s to resupply a Coast Guard LORAN Station. These guys were the only inhabitants of a rather large island. Their base was on the shores of Massacre Bay which is littered with the relics of a WWII invasion force of 20,000 US troops. They had to root out 2,000 Japanese invaders dug in above them on the foggy ridge tops. The Coast Guard Station is now closed and suspect the island is without residents except for visiting birding groups adding to their life-lists birds seen no where else in the US. I was never there more than a couple of hours, never saw the sun, and missed the main tourist attraction, the Attu National Forest. In WWII troops planted a number of six foot trees that shrunk through the the years to 4 or 5 feet due to insufficient sun light.

Its a fascinating place to visit.

Bill J.

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To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cohp] Re: Aleutian Islands

Many years ago I purchased the topo showing the western tip of Attu, Cape Wrangell, with the idea of someday visiting it. Needless to say...

Do any our members know of anyone who has visited the tip of Attu, or better yet have any of our group members ever set foot on Attu and/or visited the Cape?

And then there's Attu Mountain, the highpoint. I bet that sees a lot of ascents (not).

Mike Schwartz

-----Original Message-----
From: gregslayden@hotmail.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
To: cohp <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2015 8:29 pm
Subject: [cohp] Re: Aleutian Islands

I feel very strongly that Maine is the easternmost state, and giving Alaska that honor due to the entirely arbitrary 180-degree meridian bisecting the Aleutians is preposterous.

The 180-degree meridian runs through the mainland of Siberia, so does that mean the easternmost and westernmost parts of Russia are both a line segment at this imaginary line? Of course not.

It was at an 1884 conference that the Greenwich meridian was chosen as the international standard. Were the easternmost and westernmost points of any countries different before 1884? Of course not.

Finding the easternmost and westernmost points of a polygon on the surface of the earth should be 100% independent of the arbitrary longitude grid centered on Greenwich. To my mind, the only rational method is to find the geographic center of the area in question, and then find the points furthest east and west from that center point. Therefore, Attu Island in Alaska is the furthest west point in the 50 states, and West Quoddy Head in Maine is the easternmost. Any talk of Amatignak and Semisopochnoi Islands having these honors is just pedantic and silly.

---In cohp@yahoogroups.com, <highpt43@...> wrote :

Alaska boats northernmost, westernmost and easternmost points in the United States.

Easternmost point of United States is not West Quoddy Head, ME.

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Easternmost point of the United States and Alaska!

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encycl...
Semisopochnoi Island or Unyak Island (Russian: ????????????  "having seven hills"; Aleut: Unyax[1]) is part of the Rat Islands group in the western Aleut...

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Westernmost and southernmost point of Alaska

Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amatignak Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Amatignak Island (Aleut: Amatignax?[1]) is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The southernmost point...

View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo

Its also interesting to note the Aleutian Islands are divided between the Aleutian East Borough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutians_East_Borough,_Alaska ;

Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aleutians East Borough, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free...
Aleutians East Borough /??l?u???nz/ is a 2nd class borough located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census the borough had a population of 3,141.[3] T...

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and Aleutian West Census Area. Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aleutians West Census Area, Alaska - Wikipedia, the free...
Aleutians West Census Area is a census area located in the U.S. state of Alaska. As of the 2010 census, the population was 5,561.[1] It is part of the Unorganized B...

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