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4 Messages
Digest #5291
1a
Re: The wondrous survival of a 72-year-old woman and her dog, lost 9 by jdzaharia
1b
Re: The wondrous survival of a 72-year-old woman and her dog, lost 9 by "Scott Surgent" surgent1
1c
Re: The wondrous survival of a 72-year-old woman and her dog, lost 9 by "Mihai G." orbitor15
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Update on cohp.org finances by "Andy Martin" oldadit

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1a
Re: The wondrous survival of a 72-year-old woman and her dog, lost 9
Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
jdzaharia
Scott says it is easy to infer the underlying story. Help me understand what went on there. None of it makes a dang bit of sense to me. The drive from Tucson to Phoenix is not that complicated. So, a person ends up somewhere a half-day drive from anywhere they know. Then, when the car runs out of fuel, the person starts walking in the opposite direction they came from, down towards the Salt River. To me it seems the person never planned to go to Phoenix at all. But, then when things didn't go as planned, and death seemed nearer, she decided she wanted to see her kids and grandkids again, and made up the story about getting lost on the way to Phoenix. I'd like to see what comes out when (if) somebody drills her on her story. Another story I read said she was headed to Show Low. Her attitude that somebody else should be responsible for getting her out of a jam is angering. I agree that the reporting on the story leaves a little to be desired.


Jackson Zaharia

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Re: The wondrous survival of a 72-year-old woman and her dog, lost 9
Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:45 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Scott Surgent" surgent1
One sentence in the story mentions that on the way to Phoenix, she asked
for directions to a gas station in the town of Cibecue. First, this is
nowhere near any feasible path of travel from Tucson to Phoenix. Second,
Cibecue is a tiny village near US-60 before it drops into the Salt River
Gorge, about 40 miles northeast of Globe. It's really just a ramshackle
collection of a couple homes. She was way way off. My inference is that her
mind is going, or already has gone. None of the written stories of the
local news has brought up the absurdity of being n the Fort Apache Indian
Reservation on a trip from Tucson to Phoenix. They mention she took a "way
wrong turn" as though that's common. For Pete's sake, it's impossible to
not get to Phoenix from Tucson. You get on I-10 and stay on it for 2 hours.
She never started on I-10 apparently. The reporting is missing too much.

On 14 April 2016 at 07:28, jdzaharia@hotmail.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Scott says it is easy to infer the underlying story. Help me understand
> what went on there. None of it makes a dang bit of sense to me. The drive
> from Tucson to Phoenix is not that complicated. So, a person ends up
> somewhere a half-day drive from anywhere they know. Then, when the car
> runs out of fuel, the person starts walking in the opposite direction they
> came from, down towards the Salt River. To me it seems the person never
> planned to go to Phoenix at all. But, then when things didn't go as
> planned, and death seemed nearer, she decided she wanted to see her kids
> and grandkids again, and made up the story about getting lost on the way to
> Phoenix. I'd like to see what comes out when (if) somebody drills her on
> her story. Another story I read said she was headed to Show Low. Her
> attitude that somebody else should be responsible for getting her out of a
> jam is angering. I agree th at the reporting on the story leaves a little
> to be desired.
>
>
> Jackson Zaharia
>
>
>

-- 
Scott Surgent
Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
Arizona State University, Tempe
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Re: The wondrous survival of a 72-year-old woman and her dog, lost 9
Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:54 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mihai G." orbitor15
I agree with what Scott and Jackson point out about this story not making
sense. Here are some things raising question marks.

- The Tucson to Phoenix drive. What the Washington Post article doesn't
mention, but is referenced in the reader comments to the story based on
more in-depth coverage in the Arizona Daily Star, is that she didn't just
take most direct route via I-10, but instead made a circuitous detour
through the communities of Mammoth and Globe to the east. Presumably for
inspiration/reflection as she is identified as an "artist". She took the
wrong turn on US-60 in Globe and headed northeast instead of southwest
(kind of puzzling how one would fail to notice this and backtrack at some
point). Then, when she noticed she was low on gas, she inexplicably
continued onward instead of turning around and going back to Globe, where
there is gas.
- She didn't tell anyone about her itinerary. When she got lost, but
before running out of cell phone reception, it didn't occur to her to
inform her buddy the retired Marine about how she had gotten to where she
was. One would have to be completely oblivious to where they're going or
not care at all to exhibit such complete disregard for the basic rules of
traveling.
- Once stranded, she spent the first three days by her car, but when
running low on water, she identified the nearest source and set out for it.
For some reason, it didn't occur to her to mark her way so that she could
return to the car. After she reached Canyon Creek, the article simply
states: "For days, Rodgers and Queenie traveled vaguely in a southwest
direction in the hopes of reaching warmer locales." There's no logic as to
why this decision was made, also assuming she knew one animal had been left
locked in the car. It is possible she got even further lost when she went
to the water, and panicked, but something just doesn't add up here.
- Heading out further into the wilderness. As one comment astutely
notes: *"Rodgers was as prepared as anyone could be for the journey
ahead in the mountains." *(quoting the article)*. No map, no compass, no
idea where she was going. Yes, she was well prepared.*
- The article states the woman had some outdoor survival skills, like
identifying edible plants and killing and cooking animals. However, based
on her ordeal, she appeared totally clueless about navigation. Hmm.
- Second to last paragraph in the articles says: "On Tuesday night, the
resilient 72-year-old said she felt great, physically. In all, she had
been lost in the White Mountains for nine days. If nothing else, the ordeal
offered endless fodder for future art projects." Endless fodder for future
art projects. I guess it worked out in the end, rescue and all.

Mihai G.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:28 AM, jdzaharia@hotmail.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Scott says it is easy to infer the underlying story. Help me understand
> what went on there. None of it makes a dang bit of sense to me. The drive
> from Tucson to Phoenix is not that complicated. So, a person ends up
> somewhere a half-day drive from anywhere they know. Then, when the car
> runs out of fuel, the person starts walking in the opposite direction they
> came from, down towards the Salt River. To me it seems the person never
> planned to go to Phoenix at all. But, then when things didn't go as
> planned, and death seemed nearer, she decided she wanted to see her kids
> and grandkids again, and made up the story about getting lost on the way to
> Phoenix. I'd like to see what comes out when (if) somebody drills her on
> her story. Another story I read said she was headed to Show Low. Her
> attitude that somebody else should be responsible for getting her out of a
> jam is angering. I agree that the reporting on the story leaves a little
> to be desired.
>
>
> Jackson Zaharia
>
>
>
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Update on cohp.org finances
Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Andy Martin" oldadit
Many thanks to everyone who donated in the
2015 fund drive. Our treasurer Laura Newman
reports that enough was raised to cover
operating expenses (hosting & domain name)
for cohp.org well into 2017.

So feel free to take the funds you planned
to donate this spring and treat yourself to
a tank of gas for your next high pointing binge ;)

Those who still wish to contribute will find
the "Donate" button at the bottom of cohp.org
home page.

thank you - Andy

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