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County High Pointing in all 50 states
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10 Messages
Digest #5296
1a
Re: Yahoo cohp egroup messages dead sometimes by davidwmolson2
2a
Highest point in Kansas City. by "Jobe Wymore"
2b
Re: Highest point in Kansas City. by "Scott Surgent" surgent1
2c
Re: Highest point in Kansas City. by "dean gaudet"
2d
Re: Highest point in Kansas City. by "Coby King" cobyking
3a
Re: Mt. Tamalpais by gregslayden
4a
Peak Name Counties by powdrfox
4b
Re: Peak Name Counties by "Scott Surgent" surgent1
4c
Re: Peak Name Counties by "Coby King" cobyking
4d
Re: Peak Name Counties by "David Sanger" davidsangerphotography

Messages
1a
Re: Yahoo cohp egroup messages dead sometimes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2

Spookymike:

1a. Re: Yahoo cohp egroup messages dead sometimes
Posted by: spookymike@aol.com nj55er
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:07 am ((PDT))

Working well for me. I'm using only Macs. Maybe Mac electrons perform differently than Windows electrons. Not as many Gates to pass through, and they are more thoroughly Cooked.

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I bet that your Mac gets your Jobs done when you go online. But poor Suse and Debian get left out of all this. Time to put on the thinking-Fedora and think about it.

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2a
Highest point in Kansas City.
Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jobe Wymore"
Does anybody know where the highest point in Kansas City is located? It doesn't appear to have an appearance on Peakbagger. I did find a few notations on line to its possible location but we all know city boundaries change.

Thanks,
Jobe Wymore

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2b
Re: Highest point in Kansas City.
Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Scott Surgent" surgent1
This site usually has up-to-date city limits for incorporated places:

http://www.citypopulation.de/php/usa-missouri.php

I used this site when determining the city HPs for the 24 cities and towns
on Maricopa County AZ. I can't be certain it had city limits accurate up to
yesterday, but it seemed to be accurate enough, even showing odd city
appendages and strip-annexed land that seems to be common in this part of
AZ.

I then toggled back and forth between this site and a topo map site to
determine the HP. It is common for city limits to run along section
alignments, for example. It wasn't foolproof, but it worked reasonably well.

The websites of big cities will usually have a decent online map of their
city boundaries which you can also use to compare with a topo map. Don't
trust the "Corp Limits" on the topo maps as those are up-to-date as of 1965.

On 19 April 2016 at 15:24, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Does anybody know where the highest point in Kansas City is located? It
> doesn't appear to have an appearance on Peakbagger. I did find a few
> notations on line to its possible location but we all know city boundaries
> change.
>
> Thanks,
> Jobe Wymore
>
>

-- 
Scott Surgent
Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
Arizona State University, Tempe
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2c
Re: Highest point in Kansas City.
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"dean gaudet"
you can download the city/etc boundary shapefiles from census data... i'm
guessing this is the source of the data on that citypopulation site.

here's a convoluted way to get this data into something like caltopo:

1. start here http://viewer.nationalmap.gov/launch/
2. click through to "download GIS data"
3. select "boundaries", "shapefile" and "find products"
4. find the state you're interested in, and click download
5. unzip the zip file
6. launch google earth
7. in the "open..." dialogue select "ESRI Shape (*.shp)" file type
8. browse to the GU_IncorporatedPlace.shp from the zip file you unpacked
above, and open it
9. google earth will display a dialogue saying "Do you want to apply a
style template to the features you ingested?" select Yes
10. if you have done this before you'll be able to apply the template
you made the first time around, but for your first time you should create a
new template
11. when the "Style Template Settings" dialogue comes up you want to
"Set name field" to "PLACE_NAME"
12. click OK and then let google earth save your new template (use
whatever default name it picked)
13. now you've got the shapefile opened, and in the Places tab on the
left of the screen you can open up the sub-folder containing all the cities
14. i find "sort A-Z" option useful here (right click on sub-folder name
and select "sort A-Z")
15. scroll down to the city of your choice... i don't know why but
"kansas city" has two entries (assuming that you downloaded kansas above)
16. right click on the shapes you want to explore and select "Save Place
As ..."
17. assuming you want to load into caltopo, which takes only kml files,
you need to save as kml
18. import the file(s) into caltopo (or whatever)

result looks like: http://caltopo.com/m/8BK3

using google maps as a shp -> kml converter is kind of heavy weight...
gpsbabel might do this too, but i haven't looked.

an issue is that caltopo does not seem to handle the "innerboundary" tag in
the KML file: this tag is used to punch holes in polygons, and most cities
have holes. if you go through the above steps and load the file in google
earth and compare to what you see in caltopo you'll see the holes in google
earth but not caltopo. this probably makes caltopo the wrong tool to view
the result... i wasn't sure what you were using for topo though :)

-dean

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Scott Surgent surgent@asu.edu [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> This site usually has up-to-date city limits for incorporated places:
>
> http://www.citypopulation.de/php/usa-missouri.php
>
> I used this site when determining the city HPs for the 24 cities and towns
> on Maricopa County AZ. I can't be certain it had city limits accurate up to
> yesterday, but it seemed to be accurate enough, even showing odd city
> appendages and strip-annexed land that seems to be common in this part of
> AZ.
>
> I then toggled back and forth between this site and a topo map site to
> determine the HP. It is common for city limits to run along section
> alignments, for example. It wasn't foolproof, but it worked reasonably well.
>
> The websites of big cities will usually have a decent online map of their
> city boundaries which you can also use to compare with a topo map. Don't
> trust the "Corp Limits" on the topo maps as those are up-to-date as of 1965.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19 April 2016 at 15:24, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com [cohp] <
> cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Does anybody know where the highest point in Kansas City is located? It
>> doesn't appear to have an appearance on Peakbagger. I did find a few
>> notations on line to its possible location but we all know city boundaries
>> change.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jobe Wymore
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Scott Surgent
> Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
> Arizona State University, Tempe
>
>
>
>
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2d
Re: Highest point in Kansas City.
Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Coby King" cobyking
I guess it would be nice if the site allowed a different base map . . .

From: cohp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cohp@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 9:19 PM
To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cohp] Highest point in Kansas City.


you can download the city/etc boundary shapefiles from census data... i'm guessing this is the source of the data on that citypopulation site.

here's a convoluted way to get this data into something like caltopo:

1. start here http://viewer.nationalmap.gov/launch/
2. click through to "download GIS data"
3. select "boundaries", "shapefile" and "find products"
4. find the state you're interested in, and click download
5. unzip the zip file
6. launch google earth
7. in the "open..." dialogue select "ESRI Shape (*.shp)" file type
8. browse to the GU_IncorporatedPlace.shp from the zip file you unpacked above, and open it
9. google earth will display a dialogue saying "Do you want to apply a style template to the features you ingested?" select Yes
10. if you have done this before you'll be able to apply the template you made the first time around, but for your first time you should create a new template
11. when the "Style Template Settings" dialogue comes up you want to "Set name field" to "PLACE_NAME"
12. click OK and then let google earth save your new template (use whatever default name it picked)
13. now you've got the shapefile opened, and in the Places tab on the left of the screen you can open up the sub-folder containing all the cities
14. i find "sort A-Z" option useful here (right click on sub-folder name and select "sort A-Z")
15. scroll down to the city of your choice... i don't know why but "kansas city" has two entries (assuming that you downloaded kansas above)
16. right click on the shapes you want to explore and select "Save Place As ..."
17. assuming you want to load into caltopo, which takes only kml files, you need to save as kml
18. import the file(s) into caltopo (or whatever)
result looks like: http://caltopo.com/m/8BK3

using google maps as a shp -> kml converter is kind of heavy weight... gpsbabel might do this too, but i haven't looked.

an issue is that caltopo does not seem to handle the "innerboundary" tag in the KML file: this tag is used to punch holes in polygons, and most cities have holes. if you go through the above steps and load the file in google earth and compare to what you see in caltopo you'll see the holes in google earth but not caltopo. this probably makes caltopo the wrong tool to view the result... i wasn't sure what you were using for topo though :)

-dean



On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Scott Surgent surgent@asu.edu<mailto:surgent@asu.edu> [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cohp@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

This site usually has up-to-date city limits for incorporated places:

http://www.citypopulation.de/php/usa-missouri.php
I used this site when determining the city HPs for the 24 cities and towns on Maricopa County AZ. I can't be certain it had city limits accurate up to yesterday, but it seemed to be accurate enough, even showing odd city appendages and strip-annexed land that seems to be common in this part of AZ.
I then toggled back and forth between this site and a topo map site to determine the HP. It is common for city limits to run along section alignments, for example. It wasn't foolproof, but it worked reasonably well.
The websites of big cities will usually have a decent online map of their city boundaries which you can also use to compare with a topo map. Don't trust the "Corp Limits" on the topo maps as those are up-to-date as of 1965.



On 19 April 2016 at 15:24, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com<mailto:lunasoars@aol.com> [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cohp@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Does anybody know where the highest point in Kansas City is located? It doesn't appear to have an appearance on Peakbagger. I did find a few notations on line to its possible location but we all know city boundaries change.

Thanks,
Jobe Wymore



-- 
Scott Surgent
Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
Arizona State University, Tempe



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3a
Re: Mt. Tamalpais
Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
gregslayden
I recently changed the Peakbagger.com listings for the summits of Mount Tamalpais so that the West Peak is now the Marin County high point and 2000-foot prominence peak, and the East Peak (tourist summit) is now just a sub-peak.


As part of this change, I have "grandfathered" in all current CA CoHP list completers who had not yet logged a West Peak ascent. I did this by creating a new kind of ascent, a "grandfather&quot; ascent that is normally hidden except for list completion purposes. So the FRL and automated completion maps for current CA completers remain the same. Once a completer visits the West Peak, the "grandfather&quot; ascent is then removed.


Incidentally, this research was initiated by the periodic review that is done to match up the peak databases of ListsOfJohn and Peakbagger so that the mobile app can log ascents at both sites at the same time. ListsOfJohn has always had the West Peak as the highest, although I suspect that quite a few people on LOJ have logged the West Peak as a CoHP thinking it was the East Peak.


As someone who now sees my CoHP and P2K counts drop by one, I feel the pain of those in the same boat. There is nothing I would like more for a conclusive survey to show that the much more attractive East Peak that I climbed long ago is higher.


But for me, I cannot ignore the principal evidence of the Marin County government&#39;s online GIS map. I have seen many of these maps from county planning/GIS departments, and there is a rough correlation between the affluence of the county and the quality of the mapping site. Marin is one of the wealthiest counties in the USA and their map is absolutely first rate. The difference of 4+ feet between the summits on that map is actually quite a bit, since I can think of other situations where a peak is awarded high point or prominence status by only 1 or 2 feet.


I normally don't trust handheld GPS readings too much, but Bob Burd's results are at least consistent with the map. I welcome any and all feedback from people in the area with sight levels, differential or handheld GPS, or other surveying equipment.


Reports are that if one hikes the fenceline around the West Peak military compound, one's head is above all of the man-made levelled platform inside the fence. This would appear to constitute an ascent under the "rules", I would hope. So hopefully this "new" high point is at least accessible.






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Peak Name Counties
Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
powdrfox
I was just thinking about Box Butte County of Nebraska and was wondering how many other counties are named after peaks and how many of those are cohps. Box Butte, unfortunately, is not as high as the liner highpoint in that county.

-Gustav
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Re: Peak Name Counties
Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Scott Surgent" surgent1
Graham County, Mt Graham AZ - the county was named after the mountain.
San Benito Peak, Sen Benito CA - WOuld this peak have been known or named
when the county was formed?

Those are 2 that come to mind.

Scott

On 19 April 2016 at 19:14, powdrfox@yahoo.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

>
>
> I was just thinking about Box Butte County of Nebraska and was wondering
> how many other counties are named after peaks and how many of those are
> cohps. Box Butte, unfortunately, is not as high as the liner highpoint in
> that county.
>
> -Gustav
>
>
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Re: Peak Name Counties
Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Coby King" cobyking
Does Shasta County, CA count, since the peak is in a neighboring county?

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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 8:51 PM
To: Egroup
Subject: Re: [cohp] Peak Name Counties


Graham County, Mt Graham AZ - the county was named after the mountain.
San Benito Peak, Sen Benito CA - WOuld this peak have been known or named when the county was formed?
Those are 2 that come to mind.
Scott

On 19 April 2016 at 19:14, powdrfox@yahoo.com<mailto:powdrfox@yahoo.com> [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cohp@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


I was just thinking about Box Butte County of Nebraska and was wondering how many other counties are named after peaks and how many of those are cohps. Box Butte, unfortunately, is not as high as the liner highpoint in that county.

-Gustav



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Re: Peak Name Counties
Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Sanger" davidsangerphotography
No for San Benito.

According to California Place Names: A Geographical Dictionary page C-280
http://bit.ly/1SuqoQy

San Benito River was named first, in 1772, by Juan Cresp, the Franciscan
missionary to California in honor of Saint Benedict. The Valley Mountain
and County all followed.

david sanger photography
travel :: stock :: photography :: technology :: media
updates at www.davidsanger.com
t 510-526-0800
m 510-526-2800

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Scott Surgent surgent@asu.edu [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Graham County, Mt Graham AZ - the county was named after the mountain.
> San Benito Peak, Sen Benito CA - WOuld this peak have been known or named
> when the county was formed?
>
> Those are 2 that come to mind.
>
> Scott
>
> On 19 April 2016 at 19:14, powdrfox@yahoo.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I was just thinking about Box Butte County of Nebraska and was wondering
>> how many other counties are named after peaks and how many of those are
>> cohps. Box Butte, unfortunately, is not as high as the liner highpoint in
>> that county.
>>
>> -Gustav
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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