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Digest #5351
1a
Below 7000' Apex. by "Jobe Wymore"
1b
Re: Below 7000' Apex. by "xander Carlson" xandathor
1c
Re: Below 7000' Apex. by "Beth Lakin" beth3up
1d
Re: Below 7000' Apex. by "Beth Lakin" beth3up
1e
Re: Below 7000' Apex. by karrhorn
2a
Re: Apex 5000' CoHPs (& under). by "Beth Lakin" beth3up
3a
Challenging peaks; wouldn't want to repeat. by davidwmolson2
3b
Re: Challenging peaks; wouldn't want to repeat. by "Ken Akerman"
4a
tough peaks out West on a SUB-Apex 20 list by "Dave Covill" dave_covill
4b
Re: tough peaks out West on a SUB-Apex 20 list by cuber86
4c
Re: tough peaks out West on a SUB-Apex 20 list by "Coby King" cobyking
5
Re: CMC climbs in the Cascade Range by "Ron Tagliapietra" roncohp
6a
Never Go Back CoHPs. by "Jobe Wymore"
6b
Re: Never Go Back CoHPs. by cuber86
6c
Re: Never Go Back CoHPs. by karrhorn

Messages
1a
Below 7000' Apex.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jobe Wymore"
How about this quirk, a minor adjustment?

A set threshold that all Apex peaks involved in this question have the requirement that they must be -under- the 7000' mark. This way the peaks that have traditionally been put on a Apex pedestal can't be reintroduced minus Kawaikini, plus now the peaks in the East can be brought into consideration thus expanding the geographic scope. Grays Harbor CoHP comes in at 4880'. This list would help clarify that be warned, you're in for a tough day regardless what misconceptions you have about elevation being mandated for a tough day in the hills.

In the past some have balked at lesser elevation peaks as substandard to what's out here in the West. This is way to give a select few of the Sub-7000' Apex consideration and potentially give geographic diversity to the list.

Jobe Wymore

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Re: Below 7000' Apex.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"xander Carlson" xandathor
Ah I see, here's an attempt looking east of the divide and factoring in difficulty/approach not so much worrying about access and ignoring multiple contour counties (where LIDAR might make them not nearly as difficult or eliminate the harder contours at some future date). The south and northeast are weak spots for me so I'm going to focus on 20 points of the midwest that would give someone the most difficulty.
Turtle Mountain - ND (can be a route finding conundrum or a long hike if you went from the closest border access)
Clark Mountain - MO (the most technically difficult of the midwest counties, even if you decide to use the ladder)
Rib Mountain - WI (the second most technical, and one that could kill you if you fell from the top on an icy day)
Proffitt Mountain - MO (a long approach that finishes with a bit of a bushwhack)
Parker Peak - SD (distance, gain, and uneasy approach given the difficulty in getting permission)

When I started this list, I thought I could rattle off a few, but it's really tough to make a list that doesn't include access issues (that can often change with a new owner or new manager of a site to make the problem moot) or multiple contours (which can also be made moot with LIDAR as said before). Issues such as approach roads can be remedied by typically going in the fall when it's drier and summer crews have gone through and done rural road work. Bushwhack issues can be minimized by doing them in the winter or early spring before undergrowth has come in.

Realistically, the midwest can be attained by having persistence, a reliable vehicle and a polite attitude when addressing land owners. Out of the short list I just presented, maybe Rib and Clark Mountains would be the only two worthy of inclusion into a -7000 apex list with Clark being the harder of the two given there's an approach added on before reaching the boulder.

And as to my sub-apex list, yea I got the two Wilson's mixed up, I do it often in my planning. I just put the both of them in the same bucket of 'can't wait to get those two damn things done so I can get the state finished'. Crestone, Buffalo and Vermillion round out that list of mountains I won't enjoy and wish were already in the rear view mirror in that state. But like I said, that list is more a list of those I dread, not those that might give others pause. My weak points are exposure on loose rock. So on the APEX list, Cleveland and Stinson won't even be attempted in my life given that one of their challenges is my greatest weakness. Others might find those easier than doing a much more technical mountain that is on more solid rock because the exposure doesn't bother them.

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On Mon, 7/25/16, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [cohp] Below 7000' Apex.
To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 25, 2016, 7:27 AM


 









How about this quirk, a minor adjustment?



A set threshold that all Apex peaks involved in this
question have the requirement that they must be -under- the
7000' mark. This way the peaks that have traditionally
been put on a Apex pedestal can't be reintroduced minus
Kawaikini, plus now the peaks in the East can be brought
into consideration thus expanding the geographic scope.
Grays Harbor CoHP comes in at 4880'. This list would
help clarify that be warned, you're in for a tough day
regardless what misconceptions you have about elevation
being mandated for a tough day in the hills.



In the past some have balked at lesser elevation peaks as
substandard to what's out here in the West. This is way
to give a select few of the Sub-7000' Apex consideration
and potentially give geographic diversity to the list.



Jobe Wymore











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Re: Below 7000' Apex.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:03 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Beth Lakin" beth3up
Vermillion was a pleasure, TBH.

On Monday, July 25, 2016, xander Carlson xandathor@yahoo.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Ah I see, here's an attempt looking east of the divide and factoring in
> difficulty/approach not so much worrying about access and ignoring multiple
> contour counties (where LIDAR might make them not nearly as difficult or
> eliminate the harder contours at some future date). The south and northeast
> are weak spots for me so I'm going to focus on 20 points of the midwest
> that would give someone the most difficulty.
> Turtle Mountain - ND (can be a route finding conundrum or a long hike if
> you went from the closest border access)
> Clark Mountain - MO (the most technically difficult of the midwest
> counties, even if you decide to use the ladder)
> Rib Mountain - WI (the second most technical, and one that could kill you
> if you fell from the top on an icy day)
> Proffitt Mountain - MO (a long approach that finishes with a bit of a
> bushwhack)
> Parker Peak - SD (distance, gain, and uneasy approach given the difficulty
> in getting permission)
>
> When I started this list, I thought I could rattle off a few, but it's
> really tough to make a list that doesn't include access issues (that can
> often change with a new owner or new manager of a site to make the problem
> moot) or multiple contours (which can also be made moot with LIDAR as said
> before). Issues such as approach roads can be remedied by typically going
> in the fall when it's drier and summer crews have gone through and done
> rural road work. Bushwhack issues can be minimized by doing them in the
> winter or early spring before undergrowth has come in.
>
> Realistically, the midwest can be attained by having persistence, a
> reliable vehicle and a polite attitude when addressing land owners. Out of
> the short list I just presented, maybe Rib and Clark Mountains would be the
> only two worthy of inclusion into a -7000 apex list with Clark being the
> harder of the two given there's an approach added on before reaching the
> boulder.
>
> And as to my sub-apex list, yea I got the two Wilson's mixed up, I do it
> often in my planning. I just put the both of them in the same bucket of
> 'can't wait to get those two damn things done so I can get the state
> finished'. Crestone, Buffalo and Vermillion round out that list of
> mountains I won't enjoy and wish were already in the rear view mirror in
> that state. But like I said, that list is more a list of those I dread, not
> those that might give others pause. My weak points are exposure on loose
> rock. So on the APEX list, Cleveland and Stinson won't even be attempted in
> my life given that one of their challenges is my greatest weakness. Others
> might find those easier than doing a much more technical mountain that is
> on more solid rock because the exposure doesn't bother them.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 7/25/16, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lunasoars@aol.com');> [cohp] <
> cohp@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cohp@yahoogroups.com');>> wrote:
>
> Subject: [cohp] Below 7000' Apex.
> To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cohp@yahoogroups.com');>
> Date: Monday, July 25, 2016, 7:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How about this quirk, a minor adjustment?
>
>
>
> A set threshold that all Apex peaks involved in this
> question have the requirement that they must be -under- the
> 7000' mark. This way the peaks that have traditionally
> been put on a Apex pedestal can't be reintroduced minus
> Kawaikini, plus now the peaks in the East can be brought
> into consideration thus expanding the geographic scope.
> Grays Harbor CoHP comes in at 4880'. This list would
> help clarify that be warned, you're in for a tough day
> regardless what misconceptions you have about elevation
> being mandated for a tough day in the hills.
>
>
>
> In the past some have balked at lesser elevation peaks as
> substandard to what's out here in the West. This is way
> to give a select few of the Sub-7000' Apex consideration
> and potentially give geographic diversity to the list.
>
>
>
> Jobe Wymore
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Below 7000' Apex.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Beth Lakin" beth3up
Also, I don't wanna do Mt Wilson again but I'll join you for Wilson Peak. I
just live in Ridgway so it's not too far.

On Monday, July 25, 2016, xander Carlson xandathor@yahoo.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Ah I see, here's an attempt looking east of the divide and factoring in
> difficulty/approach not so much worrying about access and ignoring multiple
> contour counties (where LIDAR might make them not nearly as difficult or
> eliminate the harder contours at some future date). The south and northeast
> are weak spots for me so I'm going to focus on 20 points of the midwest
> that would give someone the most difficulty.
> Turtle Mountain - ND (can be a route finding conundrum or a long hike if
> you went from the closest border access)
> Clark Mountain - MO (the most technically difficult of the midwest
> counties, even if you decide to use the ladder)
> Rib Mountain - WI (the second most technical, and one that could kill you
> if you fell from the top on an icy day)
> Proffitt Mountain - MO (a long approach that finishes with a bit of a
> bushwhack)
> Parker Peak - SD (distance, gain, and uneasy approach given the difficulty
> in getting permission)
>
> When I started this list, I thought I could rattle off a few, but it's
> really tough to make a list that doesn't include access issues (that can
> often change with a new owner or new manager of a site to make the problem
> moot) or multiple contours (which can also be made moot with LIDAR as said
> before). Issues such as approach roads can be remedied by typically going
> in the fall when it's drier and summer crews have gone through and done
> rural road work. Bushwhack issues can be minimized by doing them in the
> winter or early spring before undergrowth has come in.
>
> Realistically, the midwest can be attained by having persistence, a
> reliable vehicle and a polite attitude when addressing land owners. Out of
> the short list I just presented, maybe Rib and Clark Mountains would be the
> only two worthy of inclusion into a -7000 apex list with Clark being the
> harder of the two given there's an approach added on before reaching the
> boulder.
>
> And as to my sub-apex list, yea I got the two Wilson's mixed up, I do it
> often in my planning. I just put the both of them in the same bucket of
> 'can't wait to get those two damn things done so I can get the state
> finished'. Crestone, Buffalo and Vermillion round out that list of
> mountains I won't enjoy and wish were already in the rear view mirror in
> that state. But like I said, that list is more a list of those I dread, not
> those that might give others pause. My weak points are exposure on loose
> rock. So on the APEX list, Cleveland and Stinson won't even be attempted in
> my life given that one of their challenges is my greatest weakness. Others
> might find those easier than doing a much more technical mountain that is
> on more solid rock because the exposure doesn't bother them.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 7/25/16, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lunasoars@aol.com');> [cohp] <
> cohp@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cohp@yahoogroups.com');>> wrote:
>
> Subject: [cohp] Below 7000' Apex.
> To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cohp@yahoogroups.com');>
> Date: Monday, July 25, 2016, 7:27 AM
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> How about this quirk, a minor adjustment?
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>
>
> A set threshold that all Apex peaks involved in this
> question have the requirement that they must be -under- the
> 7000' mark. This way the peaks that have traditionally
> been put on a Apex pedestal can't be reintroduced minus
> Kawaikini, plus now the peaks in the East can be brought
> into consideration thus expanding the geographic scope.
> Grays Harbor CoHP comes in at 4880'. This list would
> help clarify that be warned, you're in for a tough day
> regardless what misconceptions you have about elevation
> being mandated for a tough day in the hills.
>
>
>
> In the past some have balked at lesser elevation peaks as
> substandard to what's out here in the West. This is way
> to give a select few of the Sub-7000' Apex consideration
> and potentially give geographic diversity to the list.
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> Jobe Wymore
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Re: Below 7000' Apex.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
karrhorn
I don't know why the Crestones are getting so maligned on this thread. Did Crestone and East Crestone yesterday and it was a great hike, although I could have done without the reascent to Broken Hand!

I'm planning to do Mt. Wilson next summer; looks extremely daunting.
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Re: Apex 5000' CoHPs (& under).
Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:36 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Beth Lakin" beth3up
I think you have your Colorado Wilsons mixed up. The final stretch of Mt.
Wilson is class 4 and definitely exposed and scary.

Wilson Peak's final section below the summit, in my opinion, photographs
about 10x worse than it actually is on the ground.

On Monday, July 25, 2016, xander Carlson xandathor@yahoo.com [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Great idea Jobe! If I had to make a sub-20 for myself personally, I would
> break it down into the 20 I dread the most to have to complete given a
> variety of factors. These would also be by the easiest route on the
> mountain.
>
> Grays Harbor - WA (haven't looked into it much, but now that you mention
> it)
> Mt Daniel - WA (Might be making too much of this one, but it looks pretty
> difficult)
> Mt Adams - WA (Hey, we got all the other WA volcano COHP's on here, and
> this one is usually a two dayer)
> Organ Needle - NM (route finding, the break your legs if you fall ledge
> you have to cross)
> Wilson Peak - CO (That final class 4 summit block)
> Mt Wilson - CO (The final bit before the summit looks daunting)
> Crestone Peak - CO (the top of the red couloir to the top looks tricky.
> Then you gotta go back down to the couloir and go back up the other side!)
> Mt Thielsen - OR (Dreading that final pinnacle)
> Bell Mountain - ID (I see this one as the most difficult for the state)
> Windom Peak - CO (distance traveled to get to it)
> Big Baldy - ID (distance again)
> Diamond Peak - ID (I think this one won't be too tough on the ridge, but I
> needed to find 20)
> Snowshoe Peak - MT (difficulty of route)
> Hilgard Peak - MT (even more difficulty of route)
> Mcdonald Peak - MT (approach and route)
> Yolo County - CA (terrible bushwhack, although this year it sounds like
> it's not as bad being burnt out)
> Ruby Dome - NV (This one might not need to be on the list if the ridge
> from Ruby Pyramid is easier, but the route I took going up the west side of
> the cirque and then down the gully was rough)
>
> Split Rock - WY (This mountain is the only COHP in the west listed as
> class 4 that is not on the APEX or my sub APEX list. I would not put it on
> the list because the class 4/5 move is entirely within a crack in the
> boulder at the top, if you fall, you just slide right back down to the
> bottom of the crack. You might twist your ankle at the worst. The hardest
> part of this climb is getting around to the easy side of the boulder and
> Adam Helman has a great picture of how to do that on one of his trip
> reports.
>
> This list also ignores grizzly country counties which would be a whole new
> map of counties that I would prefer to not try alone.
> This list also ignores counties that I dread doing due to the difficulty
> of the approach road to the trailhead. (this would be a very long list)
>
> I also haven't looked into every single mountain in the west. There are
> probably three more I could add to round out a 20, but this is it for the
> moment. I have always thought Montana, Washington and Wyoming were the
> three hardest states to complete for me. My life goal map might have the
> lower 48 and Hawaii painted purple, but I don't realistically believe I'll
> ever complete Washington and Montana. If I completed the trio of Gannet,
> The Grand and Washakie Needles that would be a miracle in itself.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 7/24/16, Jobe Wymore lunasoars@aol.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lunasoars@aol.com');> [cohp] <
> cohp@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cohp@yahoogroups.com');>> wrote:
>
> Subject: [cohp] Apex 5000' CoHPs (& under).
> To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cohp@yahoogroups.com');>
> Date: Sunday, July 24, 2016, 11:11 PM
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> Today was a marvelous day having had the
> opportunity to put Grays Harbor CoHP in the rear view
> mirror. This CoHP is steep(!), treacherous(!), a route
> finding complexity topped off with a sigh of amazement and
> relief once the journey is over with. I was joined by Andrew
> Hladecek, for this tasty morsel, one that I have no desire
> whatsoever to feast on again.
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> During the drive home I got to thinking about other epic
> 5000' threshold CoHPs out there that once done nobody
> ever wants to repeat if he/she values ones own life. I guess
> you could group the peaks, 20 or so, into a Sub-5000'
> Apex list which would obviously be more diversified
> regionally that the current Apex list. Any recommendations
> out there? Is there even 20 of them in existence?
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> Jobe Wymore
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Challenging peaks; wouldn't want to repeat.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2

Jobe Wymore, following his ascent of Grays Harbor WA, proposed as list of coHPs that one would not want to repeat.

xander Carlson picked up the idea and proposed a list.

Here are a few more for that list.

CA Bay Area counties: Alameda, Stanislaus, San Joaquin. Add in Merced. Long hikes, under bad (some of them night-time) conditions and not much reward at the end.
CA: Santa Barbara. Same?

MT: Big Horn, Rosebud, Treasure. Same statements of long hikes and meager rewards.
MT: Flathead = Mt. Stimson. Long and arduous hike. A little technical difficulty.

TX: Presidio. Much the same statement.

davidwmolson@aim.com

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Re: Challenging peaks; wouldn't want to repeat.
Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ken Akerman"
I ascended this peak on Sept. 28, 2014. It was a steep, bushwhacking
ascent, but not too difficult in retrospect. I had a track uploaded into my
GPS. I also put a geocache
<https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5DZFJ_highest-cache-in-grays-harbor-county>
on the summit that was most recently found on June 29, 2016. (You need a
Geocaching.com account to view the full description). Perhaps the peak
didn't seem too difficult for me because there was no snow, as I was
ascending in late September, and I did this one week after I had climbed
Mount Adams in a single day on Sept. 21, 2016.

If there are any geocachers in this group, let me know. I'd like to work on
putting geocaches atop or near county high points where they are permitted.

Ken

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