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County High Pointing in all 50 states
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Digest #5416
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NJ Ramblings by nj55er
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Re: NJ Ramblings by "Andrew Karr" karrhorn
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Re: NJ Ramblings by nj55er

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1a
NJ Ramblings
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:03 am (PST) . Posted by:
nj55er
On November 23 Vince Kloster and I braved the day-before-Thanksgiving traffic and visited the eight souther NJ county highpoints. Sounds like a lot, but with an early start, they are readily doable and typically lead to finish at Cape May County at dusk during the months of minimum daylight. We had two goals---to get Vince within two counties (Passaic and Warren) of completion and to check out some recent findings derived from LIDAR mapping.

First up was Ocean County, where LIDAR indicates the middle area of the three shown off Stump Tavern Road is some four feet higher than the area under the house on Tower Road, as well as the area I have nicknamed Tick Hill. IMO, only the Stump Tavern area needs to be visited to claim the county.

Next up was Burlington, where previous trip reports will suffice. The summit has been massively disturbed, and the original tiny summit contour is no longer high ground. Wander around and pick one of the many small bumps that impresses you.

Camden: The former 220' area has been mined flat. LIDAR is inconclusive as to the relative elevations of the point with the benchmark and the liner off Tenby Chase Road. Fortunately, it takes little effort to visit both. For the liner, park and stroll up to obvious high ground in the front yard of a home. The contour is shown as extending to the rear of the houses on Tenby Chase with a 215' spot elevation, but I visited long ago, and there is no additional relief behind the homes. As for the 219' BM, the access route through the large development is now almost completely closed off and barely recognizable from its former look. Others have reported the details of access from the opposite side of the hill, which is now the way to go. Next time down there, I'll write up the directions from Tenby Chase to the BM area trailhead, which should no longer require returning to the highway. In lieu of definitive LIDAR data, visit both.

Atlantic: Doug Melton derived LIDAR elevations for Atlantic, where an active railroad passes through a cut that has split the original highpoint contour in two. The area to the south reads about a foot higher than the area to the north, but Doug's opinion, shared by me, is that the extra 2-3 feet of elevation on that side is a result of buildup from the excavation of the cut. Ground on the north side is obviously natural, and there is much more of the original contour on that side of the tracks. At any rate, it is easy enough to scramble up the south embankment. On the north side, Doug liked a 24 inch oak tree as the highest point, but I have always liked some high ground along a sandy path another 100 feet or so further north. In fact the LIDAR-derived coordinate jibes with "my" point, rather than the large oak tree. You will pass the oak en route to the ground slightly to the north.

Gloucester: No change from past years, although the church where you park seems to be under new management.

Salem: LIDAR indicates two areas within inches of each other in elevation as highest ground, some five feet higher than their nearest contenders. The higher point is inside the nursery near the intersection of Groff and Swedesboro Roads, at a small fuel tank. The nursery is almost always open, and it is no problem to drive in directly to the tanks. Just north of the nursery entrance is the very large tree along the road opposite a house which I have always considered as high ground. Looking from one to the other is inconclusive, but again it is trivial to visit both points. The second contender is along the road cut at the power lines along Olsen Road, at the edge of the peach orchard mentioned in many trip reports. Just park alongside the road and clamber up the embankment. It is easy to visit all 10 Salem areas, but iMO only the two discussed here need be visited to claim the county.

Cumberland: LIDAR indicates the highest point in the county is the large contour south of Griers Lane. It is one foot higher than two other areas off Harmony Road, a few miles west. Other areas range from two to six feet lower. We visited the Griers Lane area and the two bumps on either side of Harmony Road, skipping the bump slightly to the east, which is visibly lower. Again, it takes little effort to visit all 12 areas, some of which are immediately ruled out visibly, but IMO only the three areas mentioned here need by visited to claim the county. I should add that LIDAR has backed up my long-held subjective opinions of the relative merits of the areas in both Salem and Cumberland Counties.

Cape May: The best was saved for last. Here, Doug's LIDAR analysis provided a surprise winner among the three areas known to the community, that being the area along the powerline right-of-way. I had always liked the larger of the two 60' contours to the SW. What is really exciting here is that LIDAR finds another area, a foot higher than the powerline area and over two feet higher than the other two areas, at 62+ feet elevation. This is not shown on the topo. The coordinates for the point, located at a large bleached log, are N39.31078865 W74.86436291. The area is easily reached by driving (we found the gate open) or hiking along a good woods road north from Weatherby Road (CR-548) about 1/2 mile to where it bends sharply left and then bushwhacking a short distance through open woods to high ground. The road is shown on the aerial photos as "Woods Road." There is no way to hand level among any of the areas, and again visiting all four areas is easy enough to do. I would consider no visit to Cape May complete if the new area is not visited.

Many thanks to Doug Melton for the LIDAR analysis and reports from actual visits.

Mike Schwartz

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Re: NJ Ramblings
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:41 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Andrew Karr" karrhorn
Congrats, guys! Btw, what is the latest on the high point of Essex County? I will be up there this spring.

Andrew Karr

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 13:03, spookymike@aol.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> On November 23 Vince Kloster and I braved the day-before-Thanksgiving traffic and visited the eight souther NJ county highpoints. Sounds like a lot, but with an early start, they are readily doable and typically lead to finish at Cape May County at dusk during the months of minimum daylight. We had two goals---to get Vince within two counties (Passaic and Warren) of completion and to check out some recent findings derived from LIDAR mapping.
>
>
> First up was Ocean County, where LIDAR indicates the middle area of the three shown off Stump Tavern Road is some four feet higher than the area under the house on Tower Road, as well as the area I have nicknamed Tick Hill. IMO, only the Stump Tavern area needs to be visited to claim the county.
>
> Next up was Burlington, where previous trip reports will suffice. The summit has been massively disturbed, and the original tiny summit contour is no longer high ground. Wander around and pick one of the many small bumps that impresses you.
>
> Camden: The former 220' area has been mined flat. LIDAR is inconclusive as to the relative elevations of the point with the benchmark and the liner off Tenby Chase Road. Fortunately, it takes little effort to visit both. For the liner, park and stroll up to obvious high ground in the front yard of a home. The contour is shown as extending to the rear of the houses on Tenby Chase with a 215' spot elevation, but I visited long ago, and there is no additional relief behind the homes. As for the 219' BM, the access route through the large development is now almost completely closed off and barely recognizable from its former look. Others have reported the details of access from the opposite side of the hill, which is now the way to go. Next time down there, I'll write up the directions from Tenby Chase to the BM area trailhead, which should no longer require returning to the highway. In lieu of definitive LIDAR data, visit both.
>
> Atlantic: Doug Melton derived LIDAR elevations for Atlantic, where an active railroad passes through a cut that has split the original highpoint contour in two. The area to the south reads about a foot higher than the area to the north, but Doug's opinion, shared by me, is that the extra 2-3 feet of elevation on that side is a result of buildup from the excavation of the cut. Ground on the north side is obviously natural, and there is much more of the original contour on that side of the tracks. At any rate, it is easy enough to scramble up the south embankment. On the north side, Doug liked a 24 inch oak tree as the highest point, but I have always liked some high ground along a sandy path another 100 feet or so further north. In fact the LIDAR-derived coordinate jibes with "my" point, rather than the large oak tree. You will pass the oak en route to the ground slightly to the north.
>
> Gloucester: No change from past years, although the church where you park seems to be under new management.
>
> Salem: LIDAR indicates two areas within inches of each other in elevation as highest ground, some five feet higher than their nearest contenders. The higher point is inside the nursery near the intersection of Groff and Swedesboro Roads, at a small fuel tank. The nursery is almost always open, and it is no problem to drive in directly to the tanks. Just north of the nursery entrance is the very large tree along the road opposite a house which I have always considered as high ground. Looking from one to the other is inconclusive, but again it is trivial to visit both points. The second contender is along the road cut at the power lines along Olsen Road, at the edge of the peach orchard mentioned in many trip reports. Just park alongside the road and clamber up the embankment. It is easy to visit all 10 Salem areas, but iMO only the two discussed here need be visited to claim the county.
>
> Cumberland: LIDAR indicates the highest point in the county is the large contour south of Griers Lane. It is one foot higher than two other areas off Harmony Road, a few miles west. Other areas range from two to six feet lower. We visited the Griers Lane area and the two bumps on either side of Harmony Road, skipping the bump slightly to the east, which is visibly lower. Again, it takes little effort to visit all 12 areas, some of which are immediately ruled out visibly, but IMO only the three areas mentioned here need by visited to claim the county. I should add that LIDAR has backed up my long-held subjective opinions of the relative merits of the areas in both Salem and Cumberland Counties.
>
> Cape May: The best was saved for last. Here, Doug's LIDAR analysis provided a surprise winner among the three areas known to the community, that being the area along the powerline right-of-way. I had always liked the larger of the two 60' contours to the SW. What is really exciting here is that LIDAR finds another area, a foot higher than the powerline area and over two feet higher than the other two areas, at 62+ feet elevation. This is not shown on the topo. The coordinates for the point, located at a large bleached log, are N39.31078865 W74.86436291. The area is easily reached by driving (we found the gate open) or hiking along a good woods road north from Weatherby Road (CR-548) about 1/2 mile to where it bends sharply left and then bushwhacking a short distance through open woods to high ground. The road is shown on the aerial photos as "Woods Road." There is no way to hand level among any of the areas, and again visiting all four areas is easy enough to do. I would consider no visit to Cape May complete if the new area is not visited.
>
> Many thanks to Doug Melton for the LIDAR analysis and reports from actual visits.
>
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> Mike Schwartz
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Re: NJ Ramblings
Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:02 am (PST) . Posted by:
nj55er
Andrew, I will be at the Essex County points tomorrow, and was there about a month ago. Will report after the visit.

Mike Schwartz

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Subject: Re: [cohp] NJ Ramblings

Congrats, guys! Btw, what is the latest on the high point of Essex County? I will be up there this spring.

Andrew Karr

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2016, at 13:03, spookymike@aol.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On November 23 Vince Kloster and I braved the day-before-Thanksgiving traffic and visited the eight souther NJ county highpoints. Sounds like a lot, but with an early start, they are readily doable and typically lead to finish at Cape May County at dusk during the months of minimum daylight. We had two goals---to get Vince within two counties (Passaic and Warren) of completion and to check out some recent findings derived from LIDAR mapping.

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