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County High Pointing in all 50 states
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Digest #5478
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Re. DST, one of Adam Helman's favorite topics by davidwmolson2
1b
Re: Re. DST, one of Adam Helman's favorite topics by "Ken Akerman"
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Highpointing Goes Mainstream! by highptlw

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Re. DST, one of Adam Helman's favorite topics
Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:30 am (PST) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2
Hello,

See

Proof Daylight Saving Time Is Dumb, Dangerous, and Costly

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-10/proof-daylight-saving-time-is-dumb-dangerous-and-costly

On the other hand, mountain climbers need to get an early morning start on their mountains....

davidwmolson@aim.com

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Re: Re. DST, one of Adam Helman's favorite topics
Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:09 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Ken Akerman"
I like daylight savings time. I appreciate the opportunity, living in the
Puget Sound region where it can stay light until as late at 9:30 pm around
the summer solstice, to geocache, hike, and do other outdoor activities for
extended periods. This makes it possible, for example, to hike to the
summit of a small mountain peak, like Mount Si or Mailbox Peak near North
Bend, WA after work on a weekday.

As David mentions, this is also beneficial to climbing bigger mountains,
where an early start is essential (starting a climb at 4 am with DST is
equivalent to 3 am without DST) and the hour of daylight moved from morning
to evening provides an extra cushion to complete the return descent safely
before it gets dark. Thus, a climber like me (relatively slow but
persistent) could finish Mount Adams in WA one day in late September,
beginning around 5 am and completing about 7 pm, with a short amount of
daylight to spare, daylight that would not have been available without DST.

People who enjoy other outdoor activities benefit as well. In my early
adulthood, before I found hiking and mountaineering, I played golf, and I
played nine holes during the summer in an after-work golf league. That
would not have been possible without DST. Also, my father enjoyed vegetable
gardening, and during the summer he was able to work in the garden after he
got home from work, but he would not have been able to have been as
productive in the garden without DST.

One drawback of having such late hours of daylight is that it makes it
harder to get to bed early, if one has to get to work early, like 5 or 6 am.

I find the argument, "the suffering of the spring time change begins with
the loss of an hour of sleep." How could this be a significant problem?
People travel across the USA and all over the world all the time, passing
multiple time zones along the way. For example, if one flew from a west
coast city like Seattle to a USA city in the eastern time zone, that person
would lose not one, but three hours of sleep. There are seven major
leagues teams in the Pacific time zone (including the AZ Diamondbacks, as
AZ is on Pacific time during the entire baseball season), and these teams
often have to go from their home time zone to play a team in the Eastern or
Central time zones, losing two or three hours of sleep without a day off
for adjustment, yet they manage to do it and don't whine about it. And
that is still traveling within North America. International travel,
particularly to Asia, Africa, or Europe from North America, will cause
greater sleep disruptions, yet people do it and are successful.

I know that Hawaii and Arizona don't have daylight savings time, but these
two states are outliers which explain why DST does not work well for these
states. Hawaii is the only state in tropical zone (between the Tropics of
Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), so hours of daylight don't vary much
throughout the year
<http://www.govisithawaii.com/2009/08/05/hawaii-fact-34-of-50-hawaii-daylight-hours-dont-vary-much/>.
Therefore, it doesn't make sense to adjust the clocks by one hour in the
summer when the number of hours of daylight during the summer is not much
greater than hours of sunlight during the winter. This is true of most
other tropical areas.

In Arizona, most of the population is concentrated in the desert urban
areas of Phoenix and Tucson, where the summers are extremely hot.
Therefore, most people appreciate sunset coming at a more "normal" time
during the hot months rather than an hour late, to relieve the intense sun
and heat. In the winter, the temperatures and relatively dry weather make
these regions ideal for outdoor recreation, so there are more prime days in
winter for outdoor activities (other than snow-based activities like skiing
and snowboarding) in Arizona than in areas that have colder and wetter
winters, like the Puget Sound region. (Also, with Phoenix situated at about
112 degrees W longitude, most of Arizona is near the ideal western boundary
of the Mountain time zone, which should range from 97.5 degrees W to 112.5
degrees W).

Citing Indiana is a poor example of why DST does not work. Indiana, based
on its longitude, should be in the *Central* time zone, not the Eastern
time zone. There are 24 time zones in the world, each 15 degrees wide. The
central meridian of the Eastern time zone should be 75 degrees W
(approximately the longitude of Philadelphia) and the time zone should
extend from 7.5 degrees of each side of that, from 67.5 W (that meridian
crosses eastern Maine) to 82.5 degrees W. The 82.5 degree W meridian
crosses Ohio just east of the city of Centerburg, OH
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centerburg,_Ohio> (named because it is near
the geographic center of Ohio), so Indiana should be wholly within the
Central time, not the Eastern time zone.

(Four of Ohio's six largest cities - Columbus, Cincinnati, Toledo, and
Dayton - are west of 82.5 degrees W, so perhaps Ohio should be split into
the Eastern and Central time zone, like some states to the south of it like
Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida).

Thus, being in the Eastern time zone, Indiana in effect already has DST
year-round, so adding DST to a state that is already one hour ahead of what
should be its assigned time zone creates two hours of DST in Indiana.

(For reference, as this is a Highpointers group, the highest point of
Indiana <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoosier_Hill> is approximately 84.8
degrees W longitude, more than two degrees W of what should be the ideal
western boundary of the Eastern time zone, and yet Hoosier Hill is close to
the Ohio border so most of Indiana is west of that location).

Indiana, therefore, should move to the Central time zone, and implement DST
as a Central time zone state. It would thus enjoy the benefits of one hour
of DST during the spring, summer, and early fall (that is DST in
moderation), without the detriments of extreme DST (two hours) during the
warmer months and one hour of DST in winter, which is not a good time of
year to have DST.

Ken

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 7:24 AM, DavidWmOlson@netscape.net [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
>
> See
> Proof Daylight Saving Time Is Dumb, Dangerous, and Costly
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-10/
> proof-daylight-saving-time-is-dumb-dangerous-and-costly
>
> On the other hand, mountain climbers need to get an early morning start on
> their mountains....
>
> davidwmolson@aim.com
>
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Highpointing Goes Mainstream!
Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:28 pm (PST) . Posted by:
highptlw
Here is the link https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-ascend-the-peak-of-every-state-climbers-must-reckon-with-florida-1489073490 https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-ascend-the-peak-of-every-state-climbers-must-reckon-with-florida-1489073490 to the Highpointing article on page 1 of the March 10 Wall Street Journal including a video.


A must see for us Highpointers! Can you believe, we're famous!!!




Lanny Wexler 43 HPS




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