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11 Messages
Digest #5517
1a
Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs by "Lanny Wexler" highptlw
1b
Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs by "xander Carlson" xandathor
1c
Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs by "Kevin Williamson" kevvo50
2
Highest Non-Technical Climbs by "Ron Tagliapietra" roncohp
3a
Re: Most EPIC list (50X50X50) by "John Mitchler" mitchler69
3b
Re: Most EPIC list (50X50X50) by "Andrew Karr" karrhorn
4
Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs (Alaska) by "Lanny Wexler" highptlw
5
11 Highest Non Technical Climbs in the World by highptlw
6
25 Hardest Mountains to Climb in the World by highptlw
7
Re. Highest Non Technical Climbs by davidwmolson2
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Re: NM Couty HP - McKinley County - Benchmark Alejan by "Peter Bengtson" elrw3ake6vr5ernyppnvn2mx7xylvlqfut3mjgw6

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1a
Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs
Sat May 13, 2017 7:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Lanny Wexler" highptlw
No need to buy a plane ticket. I already did! I will be present in Idaho for
the eclipse, that's why I was interested in Borah. Then, I read Ed Viesturs
candid report on Sawtooth Mountain Guides. I'm sure SAWG wouldn't be trying
to scare off business. If your physically and mentally prepared and you
climb this type of stuff regularly I suppose Borah is a piece of cake but
for many of us it is not.

Big bad Borah a leap of faith! It's a push. Its living on the edge. It's a
gateway peak for Hood & Rainier. Borah would be a great accomplishment but
is it all worth it to risk it all.

Borah is rated Class 3 or possibly Class 4 if you deviate off COR. Borah is
truly a borderline. It's a demanding people. 5,300 feet of elevation gain
alone, loose rock and scree, blazing sun and thunderstorms are enough
challenges even without Chicken Out Ridge. So for people use to this kind
of stuff its non technical but for the rest of us it is. Different strokes
for different folks. That's why SAWG short ropes its clients and if there
is snow or ice as there well may be this year's then an ice axe and crampons
will be needed as well.

I appreciate the encouragement but I think I'm past this stuff.

So any way I asked about non technical climbs.

What are the highest non technical climbs in AK, WA, MT & WY?

Anyone know the answer?

Lanny Wexler

PS - Aconcagua is the highest technical climb among the Big 7 at 22,841 ft.

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Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs
Sat May 13, 2017 8:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"xander Carlson" xandathor
I get ya. Sometimes people take their view of what exposure is or level of difficulty and assume it's universal. There are stable maintained paths in Glacier National Park that scare the crap out of me with steep loose gravel on both sides, yet Chicken Out Ridge was no problem because it was solid rock yet much higher difficulty. Certain mountain problems affect people in different ways.

Looking at Wyoming first. I think Cloud Peak would fit the bill for you and it's over 13,000 feet. It's shorter than Kings in Utah, but many will do it in two days. The most difficult part is picking the right rocks to go up near the summit once you're past the choke point. You pick the wrong one and they can shift on you and they're big boulders. But beyond that, there's not much to worry about.

For Montana, I think Mount Wood or Castle Mountain could be alternatives. They are class 3, and I've not done them but they are certainly easier than Granite and they're number 2 and 3 in the state. Plus you get to hike up in the Beartooths and see Granite Peak from Wood.

Washington would be Mt Adams. There is snow to deal with but late in the season it is greatly minimized. Another that is often done in two days. But it's the easiest of the volcanoes in Washington and #2 on the County High Point list for the state.

No clue on Alaska, I wouldn't even know where to begin on that one.

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On Sat, 5/13/17, 'Lanny Wexler' highpt43@optimum.net [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [cohp] Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs
To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2017, 9:16 PM


 









No need to buy a plane
ticket. I already did! I will be present in Idaho for the
eclipse, thats why I was interested in Borah. Then, I
read Ed Viesturs candid report on Sawtooth Mountain Guides.
Im sure SAWG wouldnt be trying to scare off
business.  If your physically and mentally prepared and you
climb this type of stuff regularly I suppose Borah is a
piece of cake but for many of us it is not.  Big bad Borah a leap of
faith! Its a push. Its living on the edge. Its a
gateway peak for Hood & Rainier. Borah would be a great
accomplishment but is it all worth it to risk it all.  Borah is rated Class 3 or
possibly Class 4 if you deviate off COR. Borah is truly a
borderline. Its a demanding people. 5,300 feet of
elevation gain alone, loose rock and scree, blazing sun and
thunderstorms are enough challenges even without Chicken Out
Ridge.  So for people use to this kind of stuff its non
technical but for the rest of us it is. Different strokes
for different folks.  Thats why SAWG short ropes its
clients and if there is snow or ice as there well may be
this years then an ice axe and crampons will be needed as
well.  I appreciate the
encouragement but I think Im past this stuff.  So any way I asked about non
technical climbs.
 What are the highest
non technical climbs in AK, WA, MT & WY?  Anyone know the answer?      Lanny Wexler    PS  Aconcagua is the
highest technical climb among the Big 7 at 22,841
ft.









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Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs
Sat May 13, 2017 8:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kevin Williamson" kevvo50
I would recommend Wyoming Peck 11,378, Lincoln counties highpoint. It's been some years since I did this one but it sticks in my mind as one of the best hikes in Wyoming. I did the west approach. This trail was recommended by Jackson Hole Mountain Guides.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 11:02 PM, xander Carlson xandathor@yahoo.com [cohp]<cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  
I get ya. Sometimes people take their view of what exposure is or level of difficulty and assume it's universal. There are stable maintained paths in Glacier National Park that scare the crap out of me with steep loose gravel on both sides, yet Chicken Out Ridge was no problem because it was solid rock yet much higher difficulty. Certain mountain problems affect people in different ways.

Looking at Wyoming first. I think Cloud Peak would fit the bill for you and it's over 13,000 feet. It's shorter than Kings in Utah, but many will do it in two days. The most difficult part is picking the right rocks to go up near the summit once you're past the choke point. You pick the wrong one and they can shift on you and they're big boulders. But beyond that, there's not much to worry about.

For Montana, I think Mount Wood or Castle Mountain could be alternatives. They are class 3, and I've not done them but they are certainly easier than Granite and they're number 2 and 3 in the state. Plus you get to hike up in the Beartooths and see Granite Peak from Wood.

Washington would be Mt Adams. There is snow to deal with but late in the season it is greatly minimized. Another that is often done in two days. But it's the easiest of the volcanoes in Washington and #2 on the County High Point list for the state.

No clue on Alaska, I wouldn't even know where to begin on that one.

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On Sat, 5/13/17, 'Lanny Wexler' highpt43@optimum.net [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [cohp] Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs
To: cohp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2017, 9:16 PM


 









No need to buy a plane
ticket. I already did! I will be present in Idaho for the
eclipse, thats why I was interested in Borah. Then, I
read Ed Viesturs candid report on Sawtooth Mountain Guides.
Im sure SAWG wouldnt be trying to scare off
business.  If your physically and mentally prepared and you
climb this type of stuff regularly I suppose Borah is a
piece of cake but for many of us it is not.  Big bad Borah a leap of
faith! Its a push. Its living on the edge. Its a
gateway peak for Hood & Rainier. Borah would be a great
accomplishment but is it all worth it to risk it all.  Borah is rated Class 3 or
possibly Class 4 if you deviate off COR. Borah is truly a
borderline. Its a demanding people. 5,300 feet of
elevation gain alone, loose rock and scree, blazing sun and
thunderstorms are enough challenges even without Chicken Out
Ridge.  So for people use to this kind of stuff its non
technical but for the rest of us it is. Different strokes
for different folks.  Thats why SAWG short ropes its
clients and if there is snow or ice as there well may be
this years then an ice axe and crampons will be needed as
well.  I appreciate the
encouragement but I think Im past this stuff.  So any way I asked about non
technical climbs.
 What are the highest
non technical climbs in AK, WA, MT & WY?  Anyone know the answer?      Lanny Wexler    PS  Aconcagua is the
highest technical climb among the Big 7 at 22,841
ft.









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Sat May 13, 2017 9:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ron Tagliapietra" roncohp


Here are my votes for Highest Non-Technical peaks in 4 states.Idaho: Borah is definitely non-technical. Peakbagger calls it class 3 (but there are slightly harder variations that make it class 4). We did it with no crampons, no ropes, no helmets, no ice picks and in tennis shoes. The famed Chicken-Out Ridge has little to no exposure. The fairly level snowy knife-edge ridge above it was a bit scarier, but that's because we did it in tennis shoes instead of boots or crampons.  Oregon: The South Sister is the third highest peak (after Hood & Jefferson, both technical; Jefferson is class 4). I climbed the South Sister as my first major climb back in 1980 or 81. It is certainly non-technical. We even carried a watermelon to the top and went for a dip in the pond inside the crater.Washington: The second highest peak (behind Rainier, which is technical) is Mt. Adams (12,276 ft.). Adams is the third highest Cascade Volcano (after Rainier & Shasta) & it is non-technical according to Peakbagger. It's class 1, but because it is snowy, you should rent and wear crampons for traction. You don't need route-finding skills, scrambling skills, balance, or a helmet. It does not require ropes: no steep sections that require rock- or ice-climbing skills or ropes for safety due either to falling down the slopes or into a crevasse. We brought ice-picks but we only used them as brakes on the way down (since we glissaded - sliding on our butts or feet). I did it as my first snowy climb and one of my first 5 major climbs. In fact, I took a father & son who had never climbed anything! Wyoming: Cloud Peak (13,171 ft.) is the third highest range peak (after Wind River & Teton ranges) and is also a 13er. I do not know if there are easy higher peaks in those ranges, but certainly Gannett & Grand Teton are technical. Peakbagger rates Cloud Peak as a scramble (class 2). I have not done it, but still hope to. I know that a very easy short hike on a good trail can be had on Medicine Bow Peak (12,013 ft.).Montana: The four highest peaks in the state are: Granite Peak, Granite West, Mt. Wood, & Castle Peak. Peakbagger ranks Castle Peak as a class 2 scramble. Mt. Wood east peak is rated as class 2+ including an "annoying bushwhack" and a class 3 traverse to the west peak. Of these, I have only done Granite (which is certainly technical). Alaska: ?
3a Highest Non Technical Climbs by highptlw 3b Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs by "Scott Surgent" surgent1 3c Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs by "Ken Akerman" 3d Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs by "Kevin Williamson" kevvo50
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3a  Highest Non Technical Climbs        

Sat May 13, 2017 3:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

highptlw
For yellow bellied sapsuckers like me who will never climb the Fearsome Five Denali, Rainier, Granite, Gannett, Hood + Borah are there runner up non technical summits that could be options to climb. I think non technical could be defined as Class II or III as less. In other words a non technical peak should have no severe exposure with a high probability of falling that would cause serious injury or death.


What is the highest non technical summit in the following states. I believe in ID its Hyndman 12,008 and OR its South Sister 10,358 ft?


WA
MT
WY
AK


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Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs

Sat May 13, 2017 4:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Scott Surgent" surgent1
Buy a plane ticket to Boise this summer, perhaps August, and go climb
Borah. It's not nearly as bad as you think.

Scott

On 13 May 2017 at 15:11, highpt43@optimum.net [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
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> For yellow bellied sapsuckers like me who will never climb the Fearsome
> Five Denali, Rainier, Granite, Gannett, Hood + Borah are there runner up
> non technical summits that could be options to climb. I think non technical
> could be defined as Class II or III as less. In other words a non technical
> peak should have no severe exposure with a high probability of falling
> that would cause serious injury or death.
>
> What is the highest non technical summit in the following states. I
> believe in ID its Hyndman 12,008 and OR its South Sister 10,358 ft?
>
> WA
> MT
> WY
> AK
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> Lanny Wexler
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Sat May 13, 2017 5:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Ken Akerman"
Borah Peak, highest point of Idaho, is not technical.

Ken Akerman

On May 13, 2017 3:43 PM, "highpt43@optimum.net [cohp]" <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

For yellow bellied sapsuckers like me who will never climb the Fearsome
Five Denali, Rainier, Granite, Gannett, Hood + Borah are there runner up
non technical summits that could be options to climb. I think non technical
could be defined as Class II or III as less. In other words a non technical
peak should have no severe exposure with a high probability of falling
that would cause serious injury or death.
What is the highest non technical summit in the following states. I believe
in ID its Hyndman 12,008 and OR its South Sister 10,358 ft?

WA
MT
WY
AK

Lanny Wexler

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Sat May 13, 2017 6:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kevin Williamson" kevvo50
If Borah Peak it's not technical then clearly I was off Route.

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On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Scott Surgent surgent@asu.edu [cohp]<cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  

Buy a plane ticket to Boise this summer, perhaps August, and go climb Borah. It's not nearly as bad as you think.

Scott

On 13 May 2017 at 15:11, highpt43@optimum.net [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

For yellow bellied sapsuckers like me who will never climb the Fearsome Five Denali, Rainier, Granite, Gannett, Hood + Borah are there runner up non technical summits that could be options to climb. I think non technical could be defined as Class II or III as less. In other words a non technical peak  should have no severe exposure with a high probability of falling that would cause serious injury or death.

What is the highest non technical summit in the following states. I believe in ID its Hyndman 12,008 and OR its South Sister 10,358 ft?
WAMTWYAK

Lanny Wexler

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Re: Most EPIC list (50X50X50)
Sun May 14, 2017 7:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Mitchler" mitchler69
I like to think the C in EPIC is for a "craft brewery" in each state.

Bob Packard suggested it stands for "cuss in every state."
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Re: Most EPIC list (50X50X50)
Sun May 14, 2017 7:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Andrew Karr" karrhorn
Two lists that I'm tracking for my own amusement are counties containing the Capital city of each state and counties containing the geographic Center of each state. So happens that both involve C...

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> On May 14, 2017, at 10:35, John Mitchler jdmitchler@aol.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> I like to think the C in EPIC is for a "craft brewery" in each state.
>
> Bob Packard suggested it stands for "cuss in every state."
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Re: Highest Non Technical Climbs (Alaska)
Sun May 14, 2017 7:57 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Lanny Wexler" highptlw
Thanks, this I very helpful!

Now let's find the highest non technical climb in Alaska. That's a great
question, how high can you climb in Alaska without need for rope. There are
so many mountains and so many remote places. The obvious place would be to
start in either the Alaska Range or Wrangell and St Elias Ranges where
Alaska's highest peaks are found. Glacier travel has to be considered
technical because even if it lacks exposure there is the hidden danger of
crevasses.

Lanny Wexler

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11 Highest Non Technical Climbs in the World
Sun May 14, 2017 7:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
highptlw
http://armchairmountaineer.com/highest-non-technical-mountain-climbs/ http://armchairmountaineer.com/highest-non-technical-mountain-climbs/



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25 Hardest Mountains to Climb in the World
Sun May 14, 2017 7:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:
highptlw
From the easiest now to the most difficult. A list that could spark debate.


https://matadornetwork.com/sports/25-worlds-hardest-mountains-climb/ https://matadornetwork.com/sports/25-worlds-hardest-mountains-climb/






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Re. Highest Non Technical Climbs
Sun May 14, 2017 8:37 am (PDT) . Posted by:
davidwmolson2
Lanny Wexler wrote
"3a. Highest Non Technical Climbs
Posted by: highpt43@optimum.net highptlw
Date: Sat May 13, 2017 3:42 pm ((PDT))

For yellow bellied sapsuckers like me who will never climb the Fearsome Five Denali, Rainier, Granite, Gannett, Hood + Borah are there runner up non technical summits that could be options to climb. I think non technical could be defined as Class II or III as less. In other words a non technical peak should have no severe exposure with a high probability of falling that would cause serious injury or death.

What is the highest non technical summit in the following states. I believe in ID its Hyndman 12,008 and OR its South Sister 10,358 ft?

WA
MT
WY
AK

Lanny Wexler "
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In my opinion....

For WA, the biggest threat of falling for Mt. Rainier is falling into a crevasse. Most people are put off by the amount of effort (and good luck with the weather) that has to go into a successful climb.

Mt. Adams has fewer of those risks than Mt. Rainier does. But any highest in WA is going to involve a lot of one-foot-put-uphill ascending.

MT, I am told that the western subpeak of Granite Pk. is non-technical...

WY is well-known = Fremont Peak. John C. Fremont ascended it in moccasins.

AK has the same problems that WA has. Highest is going to require a lot of gain regardless, and the highest 'easy' peaks still have a lot of glaciation and crevasse risk. For not-glaciated, it looks like you are topping out in the low 9000 ft range, with examples located north of the Wrangell Mtns in the precipitation shadow. One example appears to be unnamed 9075 at N 62 3.446' W 142 46.345' = 62.05744 -142.77242

davidwmolson@aim.com

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Re: NM Couty HP - McKinley County - Benchmark Alejan
Sun May 14, 2017 9:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Peter Bengtson" elrw3ake6vr5ernyppnvn2mx7xylvlqfut3mjgw6
Hi Scott,

Thanks for the info. I'll keep it on my list of NM County HPs to try. I'm
going over there later in the week to try for some of the easier ones.

Pete Bengtson
Tucson

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Scott Surgent surgent@asu.edu [cohp] <
cohp@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Peakbagger shows a few visits since 2004, some very recently. It's not a
> popular peak so few people will hike it. Those doing the NM CoHPs would be
> the only people interested in it.
>
> I was there in 2000, and recall that there is a forest road that gets to
> within 2 miles of the peak, and presumably that is still true. There were
> gates along the way. Once at the end of the road, then you may encounter
> fences at which point you need to decide if you can hike it without being
> caught or if you have a good story in case you are.
>
> On 12 May 2017 at 16:46, Mundo7111@gmail.com [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>> I'm starting to work on NM County High points. The CountyHP.org trip
>> report of 2004 indicates that this is on private land and access is
>> prohibited.
>>
>>
>> Have anyone obtained permission to climb this recently?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Pete Bengtson
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Scott Surgent
> Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
> Arizona State University, Tempe
>
>
>
>

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Tucson, AZ 85718
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