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Digest #5520
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Fwd: [cohp] Digest Number 5510 Mt. Borah by "Linda Moulton" moulton_linda
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Fwd: [cohp] Digest Number 5510 Mt. Borah
Tue May 23, 2017 7:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Linda Moulton" moulton_linda
I am a little late in chiming in on Mt. Borah Peak. I did it in 1999 so my memory is a little foggy, but I didnt think it was such a big deal. I did have a guide and we did put on crampons and tied up when we went across the snow field that descended a very long way. After that it was just a walk to the top. I am 51 and was 58 at the time. I didnt think the downhill was so bad but my knees were much better then.

However on the way down we passed a couple and a teenage son who didnt have boots. They had yet to cross the snow field. I stayed the night at a nearby motel and the next morning had breakfast at a small restaurant. I heard then that the rescue crew in the area had been called out later the night before because the woman had slipped on the snow field. Since I left the area, I never heard what happened to her.

I also thought that Mt. Hood was rather easy in comparison to some of the higher mountains such as Mt. Shasta because the elevation is so much lower. Both times we were at the top for sunrise. My son brought his skis part way up and skied down, showered and took a nap while I had to plod along the lower part of the mountain.

Linda Moulton
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> <>1aEd Viesturs on Borah Peak  <x-msg://57/#1a>by highptlw
> 1bRe: Ed Viesturs on Borah Peak  <x-msg://57/#1b>by "Scott Surgent" surgent1
> 1cRe: Ed Viesturs on Borah Peak  <x-msg://57/#1c>by nj55er
> 2About National Monuments  <x-msg://57/#2>by davidwmolson2
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> Thu May 4, 2017 7:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by: highptlw  <mailto:highpt43@optimum.net?subject=Re%3A%20Ed%20Viesturs%20on%20Borah%20Peak>
> Not for me! I hit the wall at 43! Borah and beyond is not in the cards for me! I'm chickening out1
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> Mount Borah is Idahos highest peak and a rite of passage for Idahoans and High Pointers alike.
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> Idahos highest peak (12,668 feet) resides in the Lost River Range in East Central Idaho. Many of the lofty summits of this fault-block range rise over 5,000 vertical feet from the valley floor making these the biggest mountain faces in Idaho. Sawtooth Mountain Guides knows the mountain intimately and has helped thousands of climbers reach their goal of standing on Borahs summit.
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> Although a decent trail does snake its way to the top of the Mt. Borah reaching the summit is not a hike. The elevation difference from trailhead to peak is 5200 vertical feet, which is gained over about 4 miles. The trail is relentlessly steep especially on the descent, which is why hiking poles are strongly encouraged.
> The Chicken-Out Ridge section of the climb begins around 11,200 for about 500 vertical feet where the route follows an exposed, 3rd class ridge. (3rd class means that scrambling and some climbing is necessary in steep, exposed terrain). Although many climbers move through Chicken Out without a rope our guides will use one to provide additional security. There are several locations where falling is not an option!
> Following Chicken Out ridge the trail makes a long traverse for the final push up the upper west face. This section consists of loose limestone scree and talus and those not familiar with moving in this type of mountainous terrain can find this section exhausting.
> Of course once on the summit climbers are rewarded with views of no less than six major Idaho mountain ranges and a much-needed break before beginning the descent, which often takes as long or longer than the climb!
> Read about Ed Viesturs joining Erik Leidecker for a climb of Mount Borah http://blog.eddiebauer.com/2015/10/23/ed-viesturs-joins-erik-leidecker-on-idahos-borah-peak/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/2015/10/23/ed-viesturs-joins-erik-leidecker-on-idahos-borah-peak/>
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> Difficulty: Good fitness required  do not underestimate a Borah ascent! Here are some tips for preparing for Borah:
> Arrive with a high level of aerobic fitness! Gain as much experience possible traveling off-trail in rugged, mountainous terrain. If coming from at or near sea level plan an extra day or two to acclimatize prior to the climb. Sleep at six thousand feet and try to get some light exercise. Carry a small packsee our equipment list http://sawtoothguides.com/forms/borah-equipment-list.pdfwith <http://sawtoothguides.com/forms/borah-equipment-list.pdf%E2%80%94with> just the necessary gear. Ice and ax and crampons are usually only necessary for June ascents. Duration: 8 to 18 hours. A fit party with experience moving in similar terrain will be on the shorter end of the duration spectrum.
> Meeting Time: 5am
> Meeting Location: Mount Borah Trailhead http://sawtoothguides.com/directions/#mount-borah <http://sawtoothguides.com/directions/#mount-borah>
> What We Provide:
> All technical climbing equipment (harness, helmet, rope) What You Need:
> Review the equipment lis http://sawtoothguides.com/forms/borah-equipment-list.pdft <http://sawtoothguides.com/forms/borah-equipment-list.pdft> Posted on October 23, 2015
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> As co-owner and co-operator of Sawtooth Mountain Guides http://sawtoothguides.com/ <http://sawtoothguides.com/>, Erik Leidecker has guided the milk run up 12,662-foot Borah Peak countless times. But guiding the infamous ridge up the famous peak in the Lost River Mountains with his Eddie Bauer teammate Ed Viesturs forced him to examine the approach and potential consequences a little bit differently. Getting to the summit is optional; getting down is mandatory, even on the local backyard high point. LYA Editor
> http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-2.jpg <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-2.jpg>
> Words by Erik Leidecker, Images by Matt Leidecker
> Earlier this fall I had the opportunity to climb Mt. Borah, the highest peak in Idaho, with fellow Eddie Bauer guide team member and legendary climber, Ed Viesturs. Ed and I both live near Sun Valley, Idaho, and we donated our time to guide a group up Mt. Borah to benefit the Sun Valley Ski Education Foundation (SVSEF).
> Standing 12,668 feet tall in the Lost River Mountains, Mt. Borah is climbed by hundreds of people each year, mainly during the summer months. The standard Southwest Ridge route gains 5,200 vertical feet over three and a half miles. The famous Chicken Out Ridge section of the climb begins at 11,400 feet and intermittently follows a jagged limestone arte for about four hundred vertical feet. The climbing on Chicken Out Ridge is 3rd and 4th class, the rock is often loose, and there are many locations where a slip or fall could be disastrous. After Chicken Out Ridge, a loose, rocky trail skirts the west face all the way to the summit.
> Prior to this day in the mountains, Ed and I had never really spent much time together. And due to our roles during this Borah climb, we didnt have many chances to converse. Nevertheless, just having Ed along on the climb got me thinking a lot about decision-making challenges we face while guiding and climbing non-technical peaks such as Borah.
> http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1241.jpg <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1241.jpg>
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> Mt. Borah is a summer milk run for my guide service, Sawtooth Mountain Guides (SMG). Guides use short-roping and pitching techniques to protect climbers through Chicken Out Ridge, but there are no other technical guiding challenges unless the mountain is covered in firm snow.
> Nevertheless, days on Borah can be long and grueling. Many guided and non-guided climbers underestimate the difficulty of climbing Borah because the presumption is that the ascent is non-technical. Although this is somewhat accurate, it overshadows the fitness required to efficiently manage the vertical relief alone, which is a mile in both directions. The average fit climber acclimatized to the elevation and with experience in 3rd and 4th class terrain can be up and down Borah in around seven hours. However, less-fit climbers or those without experience traveling in the rugged terrain often take between 12 and 18 hours. Usually the descent eats up somewhere between half and two-thirds of the overall round-trip time.
> Indeed, going down Borah is torturous. The trail on the west face headwall is steep and loose. Each and every step requires care, and those unfamiliar with this type of terrain can move painfully slow. Reversing Chicken Out Ridge usually takes a little longer than on the ascent, but then the real suffering begins.
> http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1342.jpg <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1342.jpg>
> http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1399.jpg <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1399.jpg> http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1584.jpg <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1584.jpg> http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1831.jpg <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leidecker_Matt-1831.jpg>
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> The return trip from the terraces at 11,400 feet, where Chicken Out Ridge ends, to the trailhead at 7,400 feet is a 4,000-foot knee-pounder, with barely a flat section for any respite. The terrain is consistently steep, with slope angles between 25 and 40 degrees, and the trail only contours from the vertical fall line by a few degrees. Hiking poles can be helpful, but the bottom line is that the descent is brutal, especially on the knees.
> Because of the long descent, guides at SMG have been discussing ideas more often associated with Mt. Everest than Mt. Borah. Should we implement mandatory turn-around times? Should we better screen potential climbers regarding previous injuries and fitness?
> Even with a good weather forecast and motivated climbers, spending eighteen hours on Borah is not unreasonable. But throw in an unanticipated thunderstorm or a twisted ankle and the situation moves from routine to serious in a matter of moments, and undermines the ability to return safely to the trailhead.
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> I think the vast majority of climbers are not willing to die for the summit. If this is the case, then the decision to turn back, even on a walk-up such as Mt. Borah, needs to be taken more seriously. If its late in the day, if the sky is getting dark, if the descent will take longer than the ascent, or if that little voice just says something isnt right, then it might well be time to turn around and start down.
> Perhaps Ed Viesturss greatest legacy as a writer, motivational speaker, and alpinist is his mantra, Getting to the summit is optional. Getting down is mandatory. The day I climbed Borah with Ed, our group was fit and the weather was good. Our team summited and returned to the trailhead in about ten hours, and we never really had to contemplate turning around. But had things played out differently, Id like to think that Eds wisdom would have been first and foremost in my mind.
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> Author: Erik Leidecker http://blog.eddiebauer.com/author/eleidecker/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/author/eleidecker/> - Friday, October 23rd, 2015
> TAGGED: Borah Peak http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/borah-peak/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/borah-peak/> Chickenout Ridge http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/chickenout-ridge/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/chickenout-ridge/> Ed Viesturs http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/ed-viesturs/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/ed-viesturs/> Erik Leidecker http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/erik-leidecker/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/erik-leidecker/> Idaho Alpine Climbing http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/idaho-alpine-climbing/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/idaho-alpine-climbing/> Live Your Adventure http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/live-your-adventure/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/live-your-adventure/> Rocktober http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/rocktober/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/rocktober/> Sawtooth Mountain Guides http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/sawtooth-mountain-guides/ <http://blog.eddiebauer.com/tag/sawtooth-mountain-guides/>
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> 1bRe: Ed Viesturs on Borah Peak  <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/cohp/conversations/topics/28265;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzhwZDBuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzM0NjA4OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjU3ODYEbXNnSWQDMjgyNjUEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTQ5NDAzNTEzMw-->
> Thu May 4, 2017 8:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Scott Surgent" surgent1  <mailto:surgent@asu.edu?subject=Re%3A%20Ed%20Viesturs%20on%20Borah%20Peak>
> Neat to see Viesturs slumming it on little old Borah :)
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> Borah is a perfect climb to graduate from trailhikes to hikes involving
> more actual climbing technique. It took me two tries and I am happy I went
> back a second time.
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> Don't dismiss a climb of Borah as beyond your skillset. As I recall (It's
> been 14 years for me), there were just a few very short spots on the
> Chicken Out Ridge that were dicey. All else was steep and exposed but very
> safe. The other 5,100 vertical feet was just tiring.
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> Scott
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> On 4 May 2017 at 18:59, highpt43@optimum.net <mailto:highpt43@optimum.net> [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cohp@yahoogroups.com>>
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> > Not for me! I hit the wall at 43! Borah and beyond is not in the cards for
> > me! I'm chickening out1
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> > Mount Borah is Idahos highest peak and a rite of passage for Idahoans and
> > High Pointers alike.
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> > Idahos highest peak (12,668 feet) resides in the Lost River Range in East
> > Central Idaho. Many of the lofty summits of this fault-block range rise
> > over 5,000 vertical feet from the valley floor making these the biggest
> > mountain faces in Idaho. Sawtooth Mountain Guides knows the mountain
> > intimately and has helped thousands of climbers reach their goal of
> > standing on Borahs summit.
> > ...
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> Scott Surgent
> Principal Lecturer & Associate Director, First Year Mathematics
> Arizona State University, Tempe
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> Thu May 4, 2017 8:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: nj55er  <mailto:spookymike@aol.com?subject=Re%3A%20Ed%20Viesturs%20on%20Borah%20Peak>
> My memory is a bit vague from 1981, but I believe I might have bypassed chicken-out ridge to the left on scree as you ascend. Someone I met at the trailhead or on the mountain suggested it, and it worked out fine, I think. Then again, the photos of C.O.R. look very familiar, so who knows? No video and no field notes. There was also no established trail on the first section, just a mess of braided use paths through the scrub. Real knee strainers on the descent. It helped being in rock hard shape and skinny back then.
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> Neat to see Viesturs slumming it on little old Borah :)
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> Borah is a perfect climb to graduate from trailhikes to hikes involving more actual climbing technique. It took me two tries and I am happy I went back a second time.
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> Don't dismiss a climb of Borah as beyond your skillset. As I recall (It's been 14 years for me), there were just a few very short spots on the Chicken Out Ridge that were dicey. All else was steep and exposed but very safe. The other 5,100 vertical feet was just tiring.
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> On 4 May 2017 at 18:59, highpt43@optimum.net <mailto:highpt43@optimum.net> [cohp] <cohp@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cohp@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
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> Not for me! I hit the wall at 43! Borah and beyond is not in the cards for me! I'm chickening out1
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> Mount Borah is Idahos highest peak and a rite of passage for Idahoans and High Pointers alike.
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> Idahos highest peak (12,668 feet) resides in the Lost River Range in East Central Idaho. Many of the lofty summits of this fault-block range rise over 5,000 vertical feet from the valley floor making these the biggest mountain faces in Idaho. Sawtooth Mountain Guides knows the mountain intimately and has helped thousands of climbers reach their goal of standing on Borahs summit.
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> Fri May 5, 2017 6:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: davidwmolson2  <mailto:DavidWmOlson@netscape.net?subject=Re%3A%20About%20National%20Monuments>
> Perhaps designating National Monuments has gotten to the 'abuse' stage...
> Antiquities Act Executive Order: An Opportunity to End a Monumental Abuse of Government Power
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New Mexico Chaves County
Wed May 24, 2017 8:31 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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On May 18 I drove from Tucson to New Mexico to visit a number of the easier County High Points. I got to Alamogordo early enough to climb One Tree Peak, High Point of Chaves County. I followed Scott Surgent's directions of March 18, 2000 in COHP.org. "From Dunken take the Cuevo Canyon Road for about 8 miles to the Chimney Lake Road Junction (road sign is now Chimney Canyon Road). Head south to Sunflower Canyon."


My Garmin Auto GPS took me to the parking place. The GPS reading to park at Sunflower Canyon is:


N32.72520 W105.35322 at 6270' elevation.


The hike to the One Tree Peak was about 3 miles round trip with about 800 ' elevation gain. I finished at 4:50 PM and drove to Roswell to spend the night.




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New Mexico - Lea and Roosevelt counties.
Wed May 24, 2017 8:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
elrw3ake6vr5ernyppnvn2mx7xylvlqfut3mjgw6
I left Roswell early on May 19 for the drive to Lea County. I entered the coordinates of Lea County into my Garmin auto GPS. The auto GPS was very valuable directing me through downtown areas directly (almost always) to the high point. Andy Martin's cairn was still there with the register is still there in good condition. I finished at Lea County at 7:43 AM.


I forgot to mention that the peak register on One Tree Peak (Chaves County) was still there and in good condition.


Next I set the auto GPS for the coordinates of Roosevelt County. Previously I had located all the NM county high points on my Delorme New Mexico Atlas & Gazetteer. I had done this by reading driving directions in cohp.org. I followed the GPS directions to Roosevelt county but checking my road atlas to make sure I was going the right way.


No one was around when I got the the closest spot. I crawled under the fence and walked 0.2 miles over flat ground to the correct HP coordinates. Nothing was in the area - a very flat area with nothing to indicate a slightly higher spot.


I went back to the car and drove out to the pavement where I stopped for lunch. After lunch I found I had a totally flat tire. I put on the small spare and had to drive into Melrose, NM. The sidewalls were dammaged so I had to get a new tire. I drive a 2017 Subaru Forester, decided I had to get a full size spare tire when I got back to Tucson. At 2:00 PM May 19 I was ready to head for Curry County HP.


I've got to go to an appointment. I'll send another report this afternoon.
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New Mexico - Curry County
Wed May 24, 2017 3:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
elrw3ake6vr5ernyppnvn2mx7xylvlqfut3mjgw6
This is my first group of messages to the group. I probably should have chosen the topic of New Mexico and not to the details of individual counties. But, already started following this format.


As mentioned in my earlier message about Lea and Roosevelt counties, I got my new tire on the car in Milrose NM at 2:00 PM on May 19, 2017. I decided to go up to Curry county. I entered the coordinates of the HP into the Garmin Auto GPS and took the route indicated. I periodically checked the Delorme Atlas to make sure I was going the right way. There were a number of rain showers and the drive up. I got to County Road 0 (a dirt road) and drove up to the fence where north bound traffic has to stop. The road was wet and muddy but smooth. I was glad to have all wheel drive. The tires threw out a lot of mud going north and back south to pavement.


I didn't get out and walk around at the high point.


I then drove to Tucumcari for the night.
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Re: New Mexico - Curry County
Wed May 24, 2017 4:13 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
nj55er
Your reports are both interesting and informative. Keep 'em coming!

Mike Schwartz

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Subject: [cohp] New Mexico - Curry County

This is my first group of messages to the group. I probably should have chosen the topic of New Mexico and not to the details of individual counties. But, already started following this format.

As mentioned in my earlier message about Lea and Roosevelt counties, I got my new tire on the car in Milrose NM at 2:00 PM on May 19, 2017. I decided to go up to Curry county. I entered the coordinates of the HP into the Garmin Auto GPS and took the route indicated. I periodically checked the Delorme Atlas to make sure I was going the right way. There were a number of rain showers and the drive up. I got to County Road 0 (a dirt road) and drove up to the fence where north bound traffic has to stop. The road was wet and muddy but smooth. I was glad to have all wheel dr ive. The tires threw out a lot of mud going north and back south to pavement.

I didn't get out and walk around at the high point.

I then drove to Tucumcari for the night.

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New Mexico - Quay & De Baca counties.
Wed May 24, 2017 4:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
elrw3ake6vr5ernyppnvn2mx7xylvlqfut3mjgw6
I woke up in Tucumcari and set the auto GPS for Quay County HP. The GPS routed me via Quay and State road 156 to county road BK Road.


The coordinates for this intersection is N34.90977 W104.06823. The road sign didn't read BK road. I can't remember what the sign said.


BK road was quite good. A bit wet, but no problems. Some sections were deeply rutted, but cars had just not driven in the ruts. I kept following the auto gps north so the road must be on Garmin maps. There were no gates but a few cattle guards. I also had the coordinates of the hp in my hand held gps. When I got to a large metal unlocked gate, the Auto gps instructed a right turn through the gate. The coordinates for this gate were N34.97657 W104.10800 The hand held gps indicated 0.9 miles the the HP.


I decided to walk it. The walk was almost flat and I followed an old two track that could have been easily driven. I left the two track road about 0.2 miles from the indicated high point. Walked over to it. Very flat area with nothing to indicate a cairn.


I walked back to the car, drove out to pavement, and set my auto gps for De Baca county. This must have been about 9 or 10 AM.


My GPS took me to route 60 and mile marker 293.2 as described in Dave Covill's December 30, 2012 cohp.org web site. The GPS coordinates for the turn off from route 60 was N34.50075 W104.82199. An excellent wide gravel road. The gps called this one El Rancho Road. The turn to the right to go to Loma Alta was called Loma Alta. Loma Alta is clearly visable and the roads are so good that the route to Loma Alta is easy.


I drove to the base of Loma Alta and parked at a optical fiber cable route to the top. Streight up and driven by ATVs and jeeps. I walked up it and then walked west to the Loma Alta hp. The hike was only aout 3/4 mile round trip and 200 feet elevation gain.


Once I was at the high point I realized I could have driven further west to a large water? tank that I couldn't see from where I parked. A very nicely graded road goes from the water tank to the top of Loma Alta. Looked good enough that a regular car could drive up.


There was a nice cairn at the high point with a peak register. My GPS reading for the high point was N34.48098 W104.86910. This is slightly different from the highpoint given in cohp.org.


I got back to the car about noon and had lunch.


In the afternoon I had planned to go to Guadalupe county, but after reading the description, decided I didn't want to hike it alone. I decided to go to San Miguel county and try for the drive up. Turned out I couldn't drive up because of snow conditions. I live in Tucson at 3000 feet had hadn't considered being further north and having to drive to almost 12,000 feet. I'll come back in late June or July and call to make sure the road is open before I come.


Drove to Las Vegas, NM to spend the night.








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New Mexico Union and Harding counties.
Wed May 24, 2017 5:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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I woke up in Las Vegas, NM on Sunday May 21 and set the auto GPS for Sierra Grande in Union County. I had the May 27, 2002 report from Scott Surgent from cohp.org and the October 20, 2003 report from Jerry and Betty Brekhus also from cohp.org. How hard could it be.


The short answer is I didn't climb the high point. I spent a couple of hours looking for the Wolfe Family at the Mandala center and the Kennedy Family. One person in Des Moines told me the Kennedy family owned the land and I needed permission from them. One person I talked to at the Mandala center told me the Kennedy family owned the land and to look for them two roads to the west from the Mandala center. No one was there.


Part of my problem was that it was 9 AM on a Sunday morning. There are a number of antennas on the top of Sierra Grande, so there has got to be a good road up there.


I then drove to state land described by Jerry and Betty Brekhus. The coordinates for this access is N36.70565 W103.87662. The access point is over state trust land. The gate is unlocked but the warning sign indicates it is for use" ONLY to those persons with a valid license for the current season. For more information call the state land office 1-505-827-5737";. In 2003 Brekhus says there was a sign indicating a sign for a parking area 3.5 miles ahead. In 2017, there was no sign and the two track was overgrown and didn't indicate more than occasional use. I decided not to hike it this way.


Before I go back, I'll research New Mexico land records to see who owns the private land for the drive to the top. Then I'll try to contact them for permission before driving up there.


Once I made the decision, I set the GPS for Sugarloaf Mountain in Harding County. This is the only time my auto gps failed getting me to the hp. It got me to the turn off from US 56 but then didn't have the smaller dirt roads in the grassland. I went back to US 56 and followed the directions given in the September 21, 2002 Ken Jones report on cohp.org. The mileage on my car was a little different but it was clear enough.


My gps readings for key points in the Jones directions are:


The 7.1 mile unlocked gate was N36.21794 W104.06258


The 7.7 mile unlocked gate was N36.21095 W104.05789


Both gates were unlocked. At the 7.1 mile gate you can see the HP off to your left.


The two track I followed in 2017 was different than described in 2002. It seemed to turn away from the peak where I parked at N36.20395 W104.03951. I hiked about 250' elevation gain and about 1 mile round trip.


I had done about all I could in the NE corner of the state so headed back toward Tucson and spent the night in Socorro, NM.


I found the spell check to use in these reports so later ones will improve.








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New Mexico Socorro county HP
Wed May 24, 2017 5:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
elrw3ake6vr5ernyppnvn2mx7xylvlqfut3mjgw6
I woke up in Socorro about 6 am and only had a 6 hour drive to Tucson so decided to do South Baldy, HP of Socorro County. The Auto GPS got me to the locked gate at the Magdalena Ridge Observatory at 8 AM. I parked, climbed over the gate and hiked up the road to South Baldy. There was a nice sign telling me that South Baldy was up the two track to my right. Good to know because there was a obvious high point to my left quite a way down the ridge.


The hike up was about 300 feet elevation gain and about 1/2 mile round trip. The round trip hike took about an hour. There is some scientific equipment at the peak, but no cairn or register.


The road up was dry and rough. No major ruts. Narrow in spots. Quite steep in spots especially on the tight turns. There were quite a few rock falls from the upper slopes. I'd recommend using a 4x4 or all wheel drive vehicle. Especially if the road was wet.


I was back home by 4 PM Arizona time.




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